PETA coming to my school want to hear your thought

[Teal]

I think we all know PETA are a bunch of ***** so please give me your views - any well constructed arguments / points I'll throw at the speaker. Obviously thinks like **** YOU I can't say but I'll try my best if you come up with some sensible things I'm going to say something so I want to ensure its the best possible thing to say bearing in mind that its in front of almost the whole school and could be a chance to show up PETA for what they really are.

 

Cheers

[new to the flock]

William:

Ask your Peta members what experience they have in farming and animal husbandry, as well where they recieved their training in wildlife management. When they can not answer these questions you may ask them how they can expect to make educated decisions concerning country life, farming, and animal management when they have no formal training or education in these feilds.

[Teal]

[Teal]

This is something how my question will be;

 

where exactly would you "draw" the line between what has rights and what doesn't?

 

Are you trying to say that plants are inanimate objects? Or how about supposing you take any form of transport the millions of insects you will have killed over your life time from their hitting your windscreen are insects without rights?

 

Lastly how about those plants which you yourselves do eat, think about it for those plants to end up on your plate the amount of organisms killed, the rabbits killed just for wanting to eat the crop not to mention the huge levels of pesticides use which kill not only insects but take away the entire food source for organisms further up the food chain such as birds.

 

Do you have pets? Why do you keep them surely they should be running free? Is it wrong for a dog to catch and eat a rabbit? If it is how do you expect a dog

to survive and if not then why can't we humans do it, after all our appendix has evolved into such a meaningless organ means one thing we have evolved to predominantly eat meat.

 

Now don't get me wrong I have a lot of respect for vegetarians/vegans but I just don't see why you should try and enforce your views onto me and try and stop me eating meat if that’s my choice.

 

Also as you know Peta endorsed and supported Finding Nemo, can you please explain why it’s not ok to eat "fish for food" but it is ok as the message in the film is consistently state to flush fish down the toilet and I quote "all drains lead to the ocean", is this a new PETA policy?

 

 

but it needs to be a lot LOT shorter!! I will have bout 20-30 seconds I think so need to cut out the irrelevent stuff... thanks for help!

[tiercel]

William pardon my ignorance but what or who is PETA it sounds as if they are a lobbying group for veggies.

[Teal]

There against almost everything, http://www.animalactivist.com/index.html .

[Cranfield]

William, if you do a Google search, "Anti PETA", you will find more ammunition/questions, than you could ever use.

 

I would recommend that you keep your question simple and short.

 

Like, "How much did PETA spend last year on animal shelters in the UK ?"

 

If they answer with a sum of money specified.

 

Ask, "where can the public verify that figure ?".

 

Don,t forget, you will be faced with the Marketing arm of PETA, slick speaking salesmen that have fielded every difficult question invented.

All you can hope is that the audience see through their "waffle".

[Columbus Polumbus]

William

 

You could ask the nice PETA people this: "when I am out hunting and a big ferocious animal is attacking you with the view to you being its next meal, what do you want me to do? Jump in and shoot it for you OR say arh look at that ferocious animal doing what nature intended and let it get on with it?"

 

Or words to that effect.

 

You could phone BASC and let them know and ask them to contact the school so they can attend and provide a balanced arguement for the pupils to listen too?

[red_stag88]

Obvioulsy they are against animal testing so put this argument forward;

 

"If your child had cancer, and there was a new cure, would you have it tryied on your child and risk his/her death, or have it tested on an animal?"

 

If he/she is a veggi say

 

You: "If I had a chicken, would you eat it?"

PETA: "No"

You: "Would you eat it if i said that a second chicken would also die if you didnt eat it,"

 

It puts him/her in a sticky situation.

 

 

[neil]

William,i think the idea about contacting basc is a good one,also speak to the head and mke the point that if he is happy for one side to come in and preach he should be happy to let the other do likewise.

 

Get your questions organised not only for you to ask but all likeminded classmates,this guy/girl will be expecting to be fielding questions from a group of unorganised kids so if you can get all likeminded people together and organised you may just catch him a little on the backfoot,makesure each of you has a supply of well thought out questions and that the same questions arnt just asked over again,(unless he doesnt answer )

[Jakalguinness]

ask the non-believer

how many rabbits have to be shot to bring a constant supply of

veggies to their table

[BIGJON]

If you are not meant to eat animals, why are they made out of meat???

[Hammergun]

If your school is inviting PETA to talk, they should also invite BASC , the NFU, or the CA to talk as well to ensure a balanced debate. If they dont, then they can justifiably be accused of bias.

 

You can do a lot in 30 seconds!! You will probably end up with more if you can keep it going.

 

Personally I dont think you'll get much informed debate out of PETA as they have pretty much lost touch with reality. They are in short, a raving bunch of veggie wackos. It's not like talking to a nature group. Your best bet is to take advantage of their ignorance and wacky ideas. With a bit of careful planning you should be able to lead them on and make them look quite ridiculous when they start letting slip their wacky ideas. When they start stalling, have more leading questions prepared to fire at them, one after the other, and they will loose their cool when they are outmaneuvered. Thats when your fun will start.

 

PETA have been involved in throwing ideas about such as voluntary extinction of the human race to save animals, lobbying against school milk as it's "exploiting cows". They're a bunch of total fruitcakes. Many people who donate would never hav given if they knew more about them. A quick net search will throw up more stuff. Have a look at a few of the wackiest ideas and you can structure your questioning to lead them onto these (Fun!!).

[squirrelhunter]

Once you have grilled him/her with your questions continue to antagonise the speaker by singing this little anthem.

 

 

Oh what a pity, Oh what a shame,

Someone is trying to ban Country Sports again.

Why must they interfere with the running of the land

When the countryside is something they just don’t understand?

But we know the glory of the countryside;

The glory of the beasts there that swim and run and fly,

It’s us who preserve the woodlands, the rivers and the hills,

And if they’ll only let us then we always will

 

‘Cos we are the guardians, the keepers of the land,

And we know what would happen if country sports were banned.

Who’d replace the management, and care that we provide?

It would mean the raping of our countryside.

 

‘Cos the environment needs management each and every day,

And we’re the ones who do the work, and we’re the ones who pay.

For landscape and wildlife of all sorts,

We owe them all to Country Sports, we do,

We owe them all to country sports.

 

We know the glory of the countryside;

The glory of the beasts there that swim and run and fly.

It’s us who preserve the woodlands, the rivers and the hills,

And if they’ll only let us then we always will.

 

And if the antis ban us, you can be quite sure,

That they won’t bother to do the work that we have done before,

But the trees will still need planting and the hedges must still be laid,

The moors will still need burning and the bills must still be paid.

 

Their lack of understanding is a national disgrace,

For what they would destroy could never be replaced.

For landscape and wildlife of all sorts,

The future lies with Country Sports, it does,

The future lies with Country Sports

 

We know the glory of the countryside,

The glory of the beasts there that swim and run and fly.

It’s us who preserve the woodlands, the rivers and the hills,

And if they’ll only let us then we always will

 

‘Cos we are the guardians, the keepers of the land,

And we know what would happen if country sports were banned.

For landscape and wildlife of all sorts,

The future lies with Country Sports, it does.

The future lies with Country Sports.

 

 

Dont let him get a word in edgeways!

[rjimmer]

In nature, nothing dies of old age. When an animal can no longer defend or look after itself, something else eats it. We no longer have anything above the fox in it's food chain. When a fox can no longer keep every part of it's body clean, it will be eaten alive by maggots or bacteria (Gangrene?). In America the fox population is controlled by, amongst other things, Coyotes hunting in small packs. We do not have Coyotes or Wolves in Britain. Hunting with hounds replaces the natural predators of the fox. Without hound packs the fox population would experience a lot more suffering, albeit unseen by us. The best way to maintain a healthy, clever fox population is to kill off the weak, wounded, old and sub-standard(stupid) individuals by hunting them with hounds.

 

You will not change the minds of the PETA reps, but you might change the minds of others in the room. If you do, then 'mission accomplished'.

[squirrelhunter]

You also need to evaluate how popular you are in the classroom, you want to drum up as much support as possible to make your life easier when speaking, unfortunatly if your 'the smelly guy' then people wont want to listen to what you have to say wether relevant or not, thats one of the facts of school. Im known in my school as the 'poof who rides horses', but thats a great bonus when it comes to the ladies so i dont care .

 

*Ahem* "Hello dear, do want to come and ride my pony?" :lol:

[Teal]

Well what can I say guys!! Great news!! PETA got a complete bashing!! If this is the best their head guy could do then we don't have to fear them.

 

I have a lot of new respect for some people in my school now It seemed the main emphasis of his talk was on going vegetarian (vegan in fact...) and he started off with a story of how when he was younger he had a cat and his dad said they always land on their feet. And so young bright spark chucks his cat out of a 2nd floor window and finds out that it doesn't like it, the cat limps off, then his dad pretends to throw him out the window, and he was terrified so he claims that on this one point cats think like humans. THEN he makes a leap and says that all animals slaughtered are feeling just like this, well whatever!!!

 

He was an American too I asked him PETA have 50,000 UK member (a million worldwide). Then there were a few funny bits where people took the ****, in fact everyone thought he was a loony it was great

 

He was telling some bull*** about how animals were just like humans and that they lived in big families how cruel it was for them to be kept and lastly he says about how they have intricate conversations between lions - so someone pulls him up on this and says no they don't have intelligent conversations thats ludicrous!! -And he goes ..... wait for it.... how do you know you don't speak LION.

 

So then later someone says well plants do all the process of a living thing why do you eat them?? And he goes well the last time I pulled a carrot out of the ground it didn't scream at me at which point my mate yells out "WELL MAYBE YOU DON'T SPEAK CARROT "

 

So then I brought up about the plate of veg he eats the amount of insects (not to mention rabbits by us lads ) who get killed to provide him with that, so he says don't use chemicals I eat organic (summat like that) So I say.... well thats not viable for everyone as its too expensive AND... you're still going to need the slurry spread onto the land anyway to fertilise it (one of his main arguments for being vegi was to reduce slurry amount wheras surely the demand would be increased?), as each time you take a crop you consistently take nutrients OUT of the soil, he says crop rotation which is ******** because that doesn't put ANY nutrients back into the soil, so I said pretty much that and he just moved on to the next question.....

 

Then he said that monkeys should have more rights then retarded children.... The guy had lost the plot totally and I think everyone realised this, for an argument he was hopeless - for a stand up comedian QUALITY

 

Incedently I printed out 3x the sheet - for every animal u don't eat I'm going to eat 3 and two of them were ripped down talk about lack of free speech!!

[BIGJON]

Well done!!! Love the line about not speaking carrot

Who let this guy into your school to preach this rubbish? If it was the headmaster/mistress you should approach them about letting the BASC in for a talk.

[Cranfield]

It sounds as though you all gave him a rough time, well done.

 

But, to follow up the point that some of the other chaps posted, why didn,t your school have a "balance" speaker ?

Do they plan to have one in the future ?

[Teal]

Turns out he was invited in by some vegan in our school, each week we have a speaker who comes to the school... usually the talks revolve around their jobs, we did have the woman from "the goodlife" program in once and also ruby wax which was a laugh. To be honest a BASC or CA speaker wouldn't have had anything to do as this guy didn't really touch shooting he did mention foxhunting once in his "animals shouldn't be used for enjoyment" speil. I truly don't know what a balance speaker would have been able to say- it was obvious the guy was a nutter and he didn't touch on field sports issues.

 

Having said that I'll see what I can do and maybe get a CA or BASC speaker later in the year to give a talk on shooting / fieldsports...

[red_stag88]

Lovely

[neil]

Sounds like you had an interesting day then William ,Its definatly worth pursuing the basc/ca talk,also seing as you have had a veggi speaker why not someone from the meat marketing board

[Cranfield]

Someone form the "T bones R Us" Brigade, sounds about right.

[squirrelhunter]

Sounds like a total looney, and lets face it an American Looney Vegen against an army of witty and cynical students ......there was only ever going to be one outcome!

 

 

"...maybe you dont speak carrot"...CLASSIC