jonnys Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Morning all I'm after a bit of advice of bi-pods please. I want to get one fitted to my CZ452 American 17 HMR. I will mainly be laying down and shooting rabbits, BUT will also need it to be quite a bit higher once the crops start to grow and I have to sit on the ground and shoot - so assume I want one that gets up to about 2ft or so. I've had a look round on the web, and see there's lots of different types, I'm not clear what the advantage of tilt, level tilt, and fixed is as I've never used a bi-pod on a gun before as am new to rifle shooting. I'm prepared to spend a bit of money to get something decent and tall enough, I guess between £80-£100. Be grateful for any advice on brands to go for, types of bi-pod, things to watch out for etc. Many thanks in advance. Jonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe soapy Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Harris probaly most durable and most popular. check strenth of fore end as cz are very sensitive to any thing affecting barrel free float A 3rd swivel 4 inches back for bipod has helped my siloete plastic stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Have a look at "global rifle" I can recomend there bi pods i have 2 of them. They are a copy of the harris with modifications. They have been able to copy due to the patent running out after 20 years, and have actually made certian improvements on what was and still is a good product,but cheaper without sacrificing quality. There after sales is what you dont get from other company's too. They have made one slightly higher than the harris at 29" which is usefull in the crops. http://www.snipersystems.co.uk You wont be dissapointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 the only issue you have is if you can lie prone then a nice short 6-9 is perfect and from shooting from the bonnet or roof of a vehicle but come tall crops its too short so you almost need two as for zeroing and prone the taller ones are too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) the only issue you have is if you can lie prone then a nice short 6-9 is perfect and from shooting from the bonnet or roof of a vehicle but come tall crops its too short so you almost need two as for zeroing and prone the taller ones are too high. Thats ok he can buy 2, 1 stumpy and 1 tall and both for £150, instead of £190. for the harris Bloomin eck iv'e just checked out the price of harris,the small ones are 87 and the tall ones are 147 :blink: :blink: Edited April 25, 2013 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 or look 2nd hand, I've a couple of Harris now and they still aren't cheap but they do last so you can be confident buying used, both well under that figure, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnys Posted April 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Thanks for your replies so far. Joe - good thought, I've already had to have my new CZ adjusted as the barrel from new wasn't free floating and until I discovered what the problem was it was driving me crazy/mad with accuracy probs, I really was tearing my hair out why my new CZ wasn't grouping! My gunsmith is great, so I;m sure he will make sure it doesn't afffect it. Dougy - thanks, just had a look at them, had been thinking about a Deben, but so far people seem to be saying Harris, but yours look ideal as you say like a Harris but better and cheaper. al4x - again, thanks, I will be doing most of my shooting from prone, and really had appreciated that the larger ones will be too tall for that, is that what you mean? 6-9 inch does still seem very low, I'm 6.2ft tall, and would have thought I'd have got away with a lot more? Will give it a go when I get home tonight - might look a bit strange if I get down on the office floor now and try it! LOL! Jonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Just to add, i bought a cheap copy years ago i think it was a rock mount i tried it on my Sako and it collapsed under the weight (14lb) the sniper systems well i think it could hold my weight and i,m just a little over that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnys Posted April 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Just had a look on ebay and there's loads of the snipersystem ones, all sizes. Never used a forum until recently - it's great, without it I know I'd have ended up buying something that wasn't right! It's just so handy to have other expereinced people opinions/advice. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeperchris Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Guys, Just out of interest does that bloody great lever on the sniper system bipods not get in the way a bit when moving about? Looks like it might catch on things to me? Just wondered Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Thats ok he can buy 2, 1 stumpy and 1 tall and both for £150, instead of £190. for the harris Bloomin eck iv'e just checked out the price of harris,the small ones are 87 and the tall ones are 147 :blink: :blink: Why doesn't the original poster buy a small one (6-9) for the rifle and then buy a set of sticks when more elevation is required. It would be a much cheaper option and means you don't have the hassle of changing between 2 bipods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Harris 12-25 Swivel. Usable prone, sitting or kneeling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnys Posted April 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 So is 6-9 generally what people think I should use for shooting prone? it seems very low to me, and i would have thought the 9-16 would have been a bit better? I just can't ever imagine wanting to have the gun as low as 6 inches, as I'm struggling atm to get above the crops using a few sand bags, I would imagine 9 inches is as low as I'd ever want to go.......with the option to go a bit higher and not lower Apols in advance for this question, but I've never used a bi-pod! So when it's set up with the legs out, can you move the gun from left to right and up and down i.e. is there a swivle system on top of the bipod to allow this or do you have to move your actual body to go from left to right etc? Make sense? Thanks, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I have a 9-13 for general prone rabbit shooting. I have a 13-27 for if i am in a sat position. I found the 6-9 too low for general use in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I use a Chinese Harris style bypod, its had six months hard use and has been great for the 20 quid I paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) I have a vangaurd equalizer 2 its 12"-27" its cracking bipod but around £90 it has ground spikes which can be brought out swivels and also you can pan left and right with it so if rabbit runs a bit you can move with it .theres a video on utube by a lad si off here he highly rates it.ive also two harris bipods nothing on the vanguard Edited April 25, 2013 by remmy1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I have a Harris 25 here. its the none swivel ultra light so it doesn't add as much weight to the front of the rifle. like new £50 plus P+P if any good. I use shoot sticks for 99% of my shooting so the pod is just sat here. PM if interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnys Posted April 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Hi all Thanks for all the advice. There's one things that is still puzzling me though having never used a bi-pod.................. So once the legs are out and extended can you then move the gun whilst the legs stay in position? and by that I mean left and right and up and down. I assume you must be able to. Is that what is meant by swivel / tilt etc please? I know that may sound a silly quesyion, but I just don't understand! Jonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 swivel means its easier to get the gun level on uneven ground, to move you simply move the gun and the bipod moves as you move the stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnys Posted April 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Thanks al4x, I think I follow now. So on the top of all (or most) bipods there some kind of universal adapter which allows you to move the gun without move the legs and follow, for example, a rabbit as it hops along....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe soapy Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 nipods serve a secondery function,, they add weight, this builds upper body strenth, which then enables you to stand up to shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Thanks al4x, I think I follow now. So on the top of all (or most) bipods there some kind of universal adapter which allows you to move the gun without move the legs and follow, for example, a rabbit as it hops along....... no the harris swivel bipods allow the gun to tilt from side to side they do not allow you to pan from side to side as such you need to move gun around.they dont have anything to allow gun to move independently hope this helps.theres plenty people copyng harris now since there patent has expired the webley version is identical but lot cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Harris Bipods are the best IMO! For you I would recommend the 9-13 swivel model.Ok they are not cheap but well worth every penny IMO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 A bipod with a swivel is nicer than one without. But just to clarify. The swivel does not allow you to pan horizontally. What it does is allow you to keep your gun vertical rather than leaning over on uneven ground. Without a swivel you may find yourself adjusting the length of the bipod legs in order to keep your horizontal cross hair horizontal. With a swivel you have a small amount of movement to allow you to rotate the gun on the bipod and keep the cross hairs horizontal. The panning (left to right swing) is allowed for to some extent by a degree of springiness in the legs, not by a rotating spindle or anything clever. I have built myself a very stable tripod out of a spare heavy duty photographic tripod with a bench rest mounted on top. Quite a lot of my shooting has to be done fully standing with the gun about 4ft off the ground. This is quite heavy but rock solid and it takes the full weight of the gun so I can let go of it. At night I could not work without it as one of my guns with dedicated night vision is too heavy to hold and I wobble. Prone with a short bipod is my most accurate shooting. Standing using my home-made tripod is a close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Have a look at "global rifle" I can recomend there bi pods i have 2 of them. They are a copy of the harris with modifications. They have been able to copy due to the patent running out after 20 years, and have actually made certian improvements on what was and still is a good product,but cheaper without sacrificing quality. There after sales is what you dont get from other company's too. They have made one slightly higher than the harris at 29" which is usefull in the crops. http://www.snipersystems.co.uk You wont be dissapointed Excellent bi-pods I have 2 as well, as good as Harris but priced not to break the bank. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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