BaconBoy Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 not really into bikes,but that was a great read,hope your ok,not too much damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 What a ******, sounds like you were enjoying it until that moment. I take it the aches and bruises are healed now - more importantly, how's the bike? AB I'm alright thanks - a bit knocked about. The morning after I felt like the tin man without any oil. Just left with some grazing, two painful knee joints, a weak right shoulder and some lower back pain. Nowt serious though so I count myself lucky. Did a fair bit of damage to the bike, but it will live again. I'm most upset about snapping my Ohlins steering damper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Take clean boxers with ya you might need em!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 So did the other guy apologise/fall off with you? Good write up that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 How do stand with regards to sorting that out? Is just a 'racing incident' and that is all, just move along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 great write up makavelli i dont like to say i told you so !!!!!!!!! but i did say be carefull am glad i am not the only one to crash first time out there though ha ha it is very addictive next time out you will be a bit more aware of idiots remember elbows out and shove em!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace_of_hearts Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Shame about the off :( Ive only done one trackday at Mallory, but will hopefully book up a few more this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 So did the other guy apologise/fall off with you? Good write up that He did come to apologise (after the marshals had checked I wasn't going to duff him up ), so fair play for that. I'm still not quite sure what he thought he was doing - my line was pretty clear, yet he decided to stuff me up the inside. I could understand if I'd have just made a sudden / erratic change of direction, but that wasn't the case. I got the impression he was racing against his mate (one of the instructors) and didn't want to lose any time getting past me He didn't fall off - he was pushing my bike outwards, so I guess there was nothing to cause his bike to lose grip... Although, my bike did leave a big gouge down the left-hand side of his. Unfortunately, another rider came off avoiding the incident - a nice chap on a Kawasaki that came off the track and dropped his bike as a result. Totally not his fault, but luckily he and the bike got away without any major damage - just some scuffs / scratches etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 How do stand with regards to sorting that out? Is just a 'racing incident' and that is all, just move along? I've got no comeback at all as far as I understand. Obviously, I knew if I'd managed to stuff the bike myself I'd be the one covering it. I really didn't expect to get skittled by another rider. I was led to believe that there were rules on overtaking in the novice groups (no overtaking on the first two laps, in braking zones or on the inside) - in practice it seemed a complete free for all. Trackdays are supposed to be non competitive, so I was giving slower riders plenty of space. Just a shame that someone without the same courtesy gets to knock me off track, without any responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace_of_hearts Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 At Mallory the biggest liability was people on the hire bikes, as they were all racing each other and had no care for the bikes. On a couple of occasions they bombed past me on the short straight then only to leave it too late to brake so slammed on the anchors right after cutting in front of me, so i ended up having to brake much harder than i wanted to (and even squirming the back end around) just to avoid piling into the back of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 At Mallory the biggest liability was people on the hire bikes, as they were all racing each other and had no care for the bikes. On a couple of occasions they bombed past me on the short straight then only to leave it too late to brake so slammed on the anchors right after cutting in front of me, so i ended up having to brake much harder than i wanted to (and even squirming the back end around) just to avoid piling into the back of them I can imagine - at Cadwell it was a mix of CB500 (cup?) race bikes and the odd nutter on a ratty track bike being 'discourteous'. 95% of people were sensible, with just a few idiots. I've booked another track day, but this time it's a road bike only event (and not with No Limits...). So I'm hoping it'll encourage people to ride with a little care... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 How do stand with regards to sorting that out? Is just a 'racing incident' and that is all, just move along? In short, you don't. Only way this gets covered is if the OP took out a trackday insurance policy. I did on the few occasions I tracked the road bike, but have a track bike now and TBH, when that goes over we pick it back up and fix the broken bits...last time was a 100+mph lowside at the top of Paddock Hill at Brands Hatch! The bike cost about 150 quid to put back together, insurance would have been similar and this is my first time off this bike in a dozen or more days on her! My fault, too much lean, too much speed, not enough tyre left! ... but I got up and wandered away, the joys of track riding! :-) Mikaveli, it sounds as though you are fairly competent and of reasonable pace...get your **** out of the novice group ASAP! It's full of people who have never been on track or, are lacking in confidence or ability and as you have found out, they fairly often ride beyond their abilities or get carried away! At least in Inters/fast you tend to get more consistent riding. You can still get muppets but, so far I've not had any major incidents (that's tempting fate, I'm at Snett on Tuesday!). You will find that there are plenty slower...and faster than you in inters but it's a bit safer. Glad you enjoyed it and have booked another though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I've booked another track day, but this time it's a road bike only event (and not with No Limits...). So I'm hoping it'll encourage people to ride with a little care... Guys on road bikes will be more careful, no doubts. Wil cry more if it falls over too! No Limits aren't the worst mate, it's just the joys of track riding, you get good days and bad. Last time out we didn't have one stoppage all day, before that I've been on days where theres been a crash/accident every session! You wait until you do a Focussed Events day. If things go wrong then it tends to be big style in my experience especially if little Hitlers running it! They are also known as *****d Up Events for good reason IMO! I try not to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Guys on road bikes will be more careful, no doubts. Wil cry more if it falls over too! No Limits aren't the worst mate, it's just the joys of track riding, you get good days and bad. Last time out we didn't have one stoppage all day, before that I've been on days where theres been a crash/accident every session! You wait until you do a Focussed Events day. If things go wrong then it tends to be big style in my experience especially if little Hitlers running it! They are also known as *****d Up Events for good reason IMO! I try not to use them. Well, I'd have been put off if I wasn't so stubborn The Mille might yet become my dedicated track bike. I've already spoiled it (it was mint) and I've been pricing up getting it back to stock and it runs into £2k + !!! So I might stick some pattern bits on instead, so it's not as heart breaking if it gets thrown down the road again. I could use the money I save to buy a mint GSXR 1000 K2 as my new road bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 How do stand with regards to sorting that out? Is just a 'racing incident' and that is all, just move along? Most people take the plates off for the track day so if it goes pete tong a mate with a van can always drop the remains of the bike off at a convenient corner well away from the track. Used to love doing track days when I packed up racing F2 sidecars but there are some hooligans out there who will cut you up without a second thought, all very well saying they will get a borrocking for it but that doesn't make the "earth sky" incident any less costly for the victim. Diving up the inside into a corner should be banned at track days but it would be hard to enforce. Cadwell became the only track in the country I eventually wouldn't ride on, it is an interesting circuit but there were too many deaths there in sidecar racing for my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 i can understand why you went in the novice group but i have always found it to be a free for all of nut jobs who want to make themselves look better by being able to overtake as many people as possible or riders who passed their test the previous week. imo track the mille and get another road bike. get into the intermediate group next time they are normally fairly competant riders with a bit more respect .having said that i have been off at cadwell (gooseneck) and snetterton (russels) but that was running in the fast group. its a great pass time buddie ,keep an eye out as well .one day at snetterton i was getting some really good lap times when some dude came past me like i was going backwards,i made some enquiries during the break to find out i was riding round with carl harris (damn that boy was quick) one more tip if you get into it get a spare set of wheels with some wets on by the way keep the damaged leathers if you get some more ,you would be amazed at how many wannabees will buy scuffed leathers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Most people take the plates off for the track day so if it goes pete tong a mate with a van can always drop the remains of the bike off at a convenient corner well away from the track. Used to love doing track days when I packed up racing F2 sidecars but there are some hooligans out there who will cut you up without a second thought, all very well saying they will get a borrocking for it but that doesn't make the "earth sky" incident any less costly for the victim. Diving up the inside into a corner should be banned at track days but it would be hard to enforce. Cadwell became the only track in the country I eventually wouldn't ride on, it is an interesting circuit but there were too many deaths there in sidecar racing for my liking. Trouble with this ruse is it got so prevalent that the insurance companys have started putting eyes on the ground. I have personally seen a 'stranger' taking the vin number of a crashed bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted May 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Well, I'm not planning to commit insurance fraud - it doesn't make financial sense anyway. By the time they've taken off the excess, paid out 'market value' then you've lost your NCB and get rinsed on your insurance for the next 5 years, I'm pretty sure it would have been cheaper to just sort things myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Trouble with this ruse is it got so prevalent that the insurance companys have started putting eyes on the ground. I have personally seen a 'stranger' taking the vin number of a crashed bike. Yes that is very true. People still get away with it at times though. When I totalled a £25k bike I put it back together with some fantastic help from JHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markws80 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 How did you get on??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 How did you get on??? Read post #24 (on page 2) mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markws80 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Ha Ha its the age :lol: Read post #24 (on page 2) mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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