Why you shouldn't mix your cartridge gauges

[Animal Mother]

[-Mongrel-]

An explanation of what you did would be good.

[Animal Mother]

An explanation of what you did would be good.

Nooo, not me, that would be silly.

 

Somebody placed (I assume) a 12G in behind a 20G and released the action.

[FalconFN]

I imagine whoever did that now has a slightly smaller hand - at the very least.

[SPARKIE]

a jeremy beadle hand

[Paul223]

Is that from the proof house pictures? If so it would be intentionally done.

[Animal Mother]

Is that from the proof house pictures? If so it would be intentionally done.

No. It's from a gun shop.

 

Turns out it's a 20G behind a 28G.

[davidsuffolk]

I saw an American web site that put a 20 down the barrel of a Remington 870 and a 12 behind and fired it. Amazingly it didn't damage the gun and fired the 20 bore case right out the barrel.

 

 

for anyone interested

[remmyman]

Hi all.

Just thought I'd share a past experience of mine involving a shooting aquaintance. This chap had asked me to help him 'sort out' station 2 high bird at skeet.So after a bacon butty and a cupper we grabbed his gear and headed out to the range. After he'd shot at 6 or so the problem was quite obvious, he'd gotten in the habit of coming back to far with his 'hold point' and as a result was being beaten by the target and slashing madly after it in an attempt to catch it up.Within another 8 shots or so he was 'smoking' them nicely just before the cenre peg. After a quick chat he thanked me and said' I'll just shoot these last 2 shells off'. He loaded his gun, called 'pull' and all we heard was 'click'', after waiting 30 seconds or so (in case of a 'hang fire') he opened his gun and in a very surprised tone exclaimed ' there's no shell in the bottom barrell, HUH? I know i put TWO shells in!! Upon closer inspection we could see a 20.bore shell resting snuggly well down the chamber !!! He then realised that he was wearing the same coat that he had worn a couple of days earlier whilst on a partridge shoot, for which he used his lovely grade 6 Browning 325 game gun!! in, you've guessed it 20. Bore. We were both left quite shaken to say the least . It also proved to us that being experienced shooting men (OVER 50 yrs between us) does not make you immune from such potential disasters. It was a lesson for us both and one which we were lucky not to have to learn the hardway.Regards Remmyman

Edited May 24, 2013 by remmyman

[ZG47]

He loaded his gun, called 'pull' and all we heard was 'click'', after waiting 30 seconds or so (in case of a 'hang fire') he opened his gun and in a very surprised tone exclaimed ' there's no shell in the bottom barrell, HUH? I know i put TWO shells in!! Upon closer inspection we could see a 20.bore shell resting snuggly well down the chamber !!! He then realised that he was wearing the same coat that he had worn a couple of days earlier whilst on a partridge shoot, for which he used his lovely grade 6 Browning 325 game gun!! in, you've guessed it 20. Bore. We were both left quite shaken to say the least . It also proved to us that being experienced shooting men (OVER 50 yrs between us) does not make you immune from such potential disasters. It was a lesson for us both and one which we were lucky not to have to learn the hardway.Regards Remmyman

 

Thanks for sharing

 

I just resigned from (16 plus years) taking people for their firearms licence test. The guy who lead the instruction team before me, always turns his shooting vest upside down and then checks the pockets before he leaves home, to avoid that scenario.

Edited May 26, 2013 by ZG47

[Dekers]

I saw an American web site that put a 20 down the barrel of a Remington 870 and a 12 behind and fired it. Amazingly it didn't damage the gun and fired the 20 bore case right out the barrel.

 

 

for anyone interested

 

As soon as I saw this thread I went looking for that, well done, I couldn't find it.

 

Just shows it isn't necessarily doom and gloom, but not something I would want to try just the same!

[throdgrain]

I saw an American web site that put a 20 down the barrel of a Remington 870 and a 12 behind and fired it. Amazingly it didn't damage the gun and fired the 20 bore case right out the barrel.

 

 

for anyone interested

I was looking for this too!

[sitsinhedges]

 

Thanks for sharing

 

I just resigned from (16 plus years) taking people for their firearms licence test. The guy who lead the instruction team before me, always turns his shooting vest upside down and then checks the pockets before he leaves home, to avoid that scenario.

 

Maybe he could just look at what he is doing. You've got to be a special kind of idiot to manage something as stupid as that.

[HDAV]

Thanks for sharing

 

I just resigned from (16 plus years) taking people for their firearms licence test. The guy who lead the instruction team before me, always turns his shooting vest upside down and then checks the pockets before he leaves home, to avoid that scenario.

Where were they being tested?

[Dekers]

 

Maybe he could just look at what he is doing. You've got to be a special kind of idiot to manage something as stupid as that.

 

........ and although I don't have a 20, I thought they were all yellow, or is that a thing of the past?

 

Just the same there are not many of us who haven't done something daft at some point, fortunately most of us have got away with it!

[sitsinhedges]

 

........ and although I don't have a 20, I thought they were all yellow, or is that a thing of the past?

 

Just the same there are not many of us who haven't done something daft at some point, fortunately most of us have got away with it!

 

My point, rather bluntly put I confess , is that if someone can't even be trusted to look at what they are pulling out of their pocket and putting into the breech of their gun, they can hardly be trusted to be carrying out any other type of safety protocol. Yes 20gauge cartridges are only yellow but even the feel of a smaller shell would be obvious if looking was too much to bear.

[Redgum]

The video with the auto doesnt really show the real dangers, the auto vented any over pressure back through the action, on a side by side or over and under there isnt this option.

[Dekers]

 

My point, rather bluntly put I confess , is that if someone can't even be trusted to look at what they are pulling out of their pocket and putting into the breech of their gun, they can hardly be trusted to be carrying out any other type of safety protocol. Yes 20gauge cartridges are only yellow but even the feel of a smaller shell would be obvious if looking was too much to bear.

 

You are obviously too young, I'm not defending anyone here, but wait till you get a bit older and do the odd daft thing!

[HDAV]

No not all are yellow there was a campaign to make it so but some manufacturers wouldn't play ball, the plan was something like red for 12 yellow for 20 and green for 28 or something

[sitsinhedges]

No not all are yellow there was a campaign to make it so but some manufacturers wouldn't play ball, the plan was something like red for 12 yellow for 20 and green for 28 or something

 

I know other colours do exist, you only have to look on the Siarm site to see various colours offered for reloading but I've never seen any other colour than yellow when out shooting, and believe me when I say I've ferretted through more shell bins than most people

 

The point though is that there is no accounting for stupidity. Never doubt the resourcefulness of an idiot

[remmyman]

 

My point, rather bluntly put I confess , is that if someone can't even be trusted to look at what they are pulling out of their pocket and putting into the breech of their gun, they can hardly be trusted to be carrying out any other type of safety protocol. Yes 20gauge cartridges are only yellow but even the feel of a smaller shell would be obvious if looking was too much to bear.

No one is infallible.As the quote goes 'To err is to be human'

[davidsuffolk]

But there are also loads of 12 gauge in yellow so colour alone won't help?

 

[sitsinhedges]

But there are also loads of 12 gauge in yellow so colour alone won't help?

 

20 bore.jpg12 b.jpg

 

It will if you try sticking one of those on the right in a 20gauge

 

As already stated, if someone decides to act like a plank no safeguard will stop them becoming a member of the Darwin awards club.

[throdgrain]

Or just buy an 870 and it won't matter

[ZG47]

 

My point, rather bluntly put I confess , is that if someone can't even be trusted to look at what they are pulling out of their pocket and putting into the breech of their gun, they can hardly be trusted to be carrying out any other type of safety protocol. Yes 20gauge cartridges are only yellow but even the feel of a smaller shell would be obvious if looking was too much to bear.

 

There is a subtle difference between taking rounds out of an ammo box or loading block whilst shooting prone; and taking rounds out of a pocket whilst standing with a firearm in your hands. I would also point out that the pocket(s) of a shooting jacket or vest are serving as an auxiliary magazine and ANYONE WHO CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO BE ABSOLUTELY ENSURE THAT THEY ARE CARRYING THE CORRECT AMMUNITION ON THEIR PERSON CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH ANY GUN WHATSOEVER!

 

It would appear that the correspondent has limited experience in firearm safety training and supervision; and has never gained an instructor's qualification (or attempted to do so). Passion is one thing; knowledge, experience and competence gained through effort, enquiry and rigorous self-assessment are something else again.

 

I invite (him?) to take the extra steps. The time and effort are, in my opinion, worth the result.