fabarm gamma boy Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 looking to get a multi shot pcp for hunting! or a single fixed bareled springer! these are the options i have! aa s400/10 aa s200 ,bsa ultra, bsa scorpion T10, slr98, hw97 and poss hw80 the reason im after a pcp is i sold my last bsa hornet as it needed work doing to it, the main duties of this gun will be ratting and the odd squirel, all the rest of my shooting is done with the shotgun! looking for some honest experienced oppinions on the above rifles as iv been away from this area of shooting for some 10yr ish now! atb FGB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyshooter Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Hi FGB, out of your list the best one for value for money and relability and accuracy is the air Arms S410/510 in either .22 or ,177 which ever calibre suits you, the air arms is one of the best and most popular pcp ,s produced, atb brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 From your list I would say the Air Arms S410-Its a superb rifle but if you can stretch your budget a bit I would say the DaystateHuntsman Classic would be my choice of rifle to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabarm gamma boy Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 cheers lads s410 was very popular when i was in.my airgunning prime at the age of 14 i could only afford a decent springer and the s410 was a dream away then! would be nice to accomplish my mission of getting one some ten years ago! mind they must be good as most of the lads i know said s410 all the way! cheers guys FGB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiedenny Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 I've had every one on your list plus day state and have to say they were all just as accurate. I got rid of the s410 because it never felt like it fitted quite right. Hw100 is my go to one now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Didn't anyone really read FGB's reason for a new gun? For ratting and occasional squirrels he needs something fairly short, light and very pointable, S410s and everything else mentioned tend to be very long or fairly heavy. From the original list I would say the S200 fits the bill perfectly, short enough to use in confined spaces, very light, reasonable shot count in .22 and easy to top up with a pump. It's also got one of the best barrels out there and is easy to work on. New guns have gone up in price but secondhand with a multishot already fitted they can be had for £300 or less depending on condition and extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 hw95k, save a bit and have it tuned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 timmytree pretty much spot on advice r.e. the S200-its a very compact little gun that punches well above its weight.If you a more interested in the S410 then the carbine version might be worth a look but both guns will outshoot you till the cows come home. Only downside of owning an AA is that its difficult to find anything much superior when you want to upgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabarm gamma boy Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 cheers guys iv just spotted a s410 tdr hmmm! all advice taken onboard, thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions! the s200 gets a good write up and as said light and compact is pretty much what i need! just trying to think practicle and reliable! as much as the likes of the more expensive guns catch my eye is it realy worth spending an extra 300+ on one! if my comon sense guides me right id say once you to a certain level the rest is cosmetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Do you have charging bottle or pump? Pcps are very accurate and quiet but can start to get expensive personally for me you can't beat a theoben rapid such superb rifles basic and robust built like tanks , If your not going to be shooting the air rifle often then a good springer will be favourite the hw80 is iconic springer don't forget John darling had one as well as a rapid ;-) , I have the hw80k with a cs800 stock and it's a real pleasure to use and has accounted for many many bunnies over the years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 what sort of budget have you got,,thats the main thing AA s410 cracking little rifle but if your budget is more then the huntsman classic, both quality and I own both for hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 cheers guys iv just spotted a s410 tdr hmmm! all advice taken onboard, thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions! the s200 gets a good write up and as said light and compact is pretty much what i need! just trying to think practicle and reliable! as much as the likes of the more expensive guns catch my eye is it realy worth spending an extra 300+ on one! if my comon sense guides me right id say once you to a certain level the rest is cosmetic? The S200 is fairly basic and not the best looking rifle out there but the barrel and mechanism is tops. For accuracy it's up there with any of the big name PCP's for half the price. A rat shot with one is just as dead as one shot with a Gaystate battery powered rampant rabbit. If you want an ornament, buy a big, hefty, overcomplicated, expensive bit of kit that will make you all over protective. If you want a gun that just does the job without fuss then go for the S200. As a guide to price, I got one recently with a Hawke 8-24 X 56, bag, pellets, P7 lenser and pump for £300, best £300 I ever spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Gaystate battery powered rampant rabbit. timmy , I take it you don't like daystate or is it you have never owned one for that comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Gaystate battery powered rampant rabbit. timmy , I take it you don't like daystate or is it you have never owned one for that comment My humour mate! I've never used one but the idea of electonics on a rifle seems wrong to an old **** like me. Remember that effort that Browning brought out years ago? A springer that was cocked by an electric motor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 fair comment bud, my first air rifle was a .177 webley and scott underlever, wish I still had it now,,left home to move away when I was 21 and left it at my fathers, it was amazingly accurate and after he died and we cleared all his belongings guess what yes No air rifle,cant wait to go to heaven and ask him what happened to it lol not keen on electronics myself either,but I,m thinking of giving one of the top daystates a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 not keen on electronics myself either,but I,m thinking of giving one of the top daystates a go I think the one thing that you don't get with the electronic guns is much 'feel'. As tools, they're brilliant and the technology is genuinely useful and not just innovation for the sake of it, but you do lose a bit of feeling in the mechanism. All the bolt does is cycle the magazine, which makes it as smooth as silk, but leaves a bit to be desired for the emotion side of the brain! The trigger is basically a glorified button as well. Having said that, I love them and I don't think I'd want to go back to a non electronic PCP. But have a go with one at some point and see what you think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 As you have got a shotgun would it not be cheaper to just get a RF as good airguns are not cheap and a PCP you have ether got to pump it by had or mess about with a tank just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 As you have got a shotgun would it not be cheaper to just get a RF as good airguns are not cheap and a PCP you have ether got to pump it by had or mess about with a tank just a thought. It might be cheaper but shooting rats around buildings or squirrels in trees with a rimmie might be a bit hairy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 got to be honest,i love the stalking and the field craft side of air rifle hunting, there is nothing better than seeing rabbits across a field and piting your wits against them to get as close as you can to shoot them with an air rifle, there is nothing better than having to walk right round a field after bunnies so as I am down wind of them,it also gives me great satisfaction when one is taken out cleanly, some of my buddies use .22 and also .17hmr,s but it just doesn,t give me the same feeling as using an air rifle,i have even lay down in the middle of a field for hours waiting to see what pops out,i have had buzzards land 20yrds from me and even had a fox come up to 6 ft away whilst I,ve been hiding from my quarry, a truelly fantastic feeling, .17hmr maybe in the future when I get bored with air rifles,but to be honest I doubt that will ever happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 got to be honest,i love the stalking and the field craft side of air rifle hunting, there is nothing better than seeing rabbits across a field and piting your wits against them to get as close as you can to shoot them with an air rifle, there is nothing better than having to walk right round a field after bunnies so as I am down wind of them,it also gives me great satisfaction when one is taken out cleanly, some of my buddies use .22 and also .17hmr,s but it just doesn,t give me the same feeling as using an air rifle,i have even lay down in the middle of a field for hours waiting to see what pops out,i have had buzzards land 20yrds from me and even had a fox come up to 6 ft away whilst I,ve been hiding from my quarry, a truelly fantastic feeling, .17hmr maybe in the future when I get bored with air rifles,but to be honest I doubt that will ever happen A couple of days ago I went out for an evening's shoot and didn't have a single shot all evening. Wasted evening? definitely not. A fallow buck walked past casually at about 15yds and I squeaked a fox in to about 30yds, then a badger bumbled its way within 5. happiest time lying in a tractor tyre rut I've ever had! Gotta love air gunning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 A couple of days ago I went out for an evening's shoot and didn't have a single shot all evening. Wasted evening? definitely not. A fallow buck walked past casually at about 15yds and I squeaked a fox in to about 30yds, then a badger bumbled its way within 5. happiest time lying in a tractor tyre rut I've ever had! Gotta love air gunning + 1 , not fired a shot in anger (as they say) many times whilst out,but would not give it up for the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 I think that you should try a Daystate timmytree before slagging them off-I held exactly the same views till I bought a MK3 a few days ago. The trigger trips like thin glass breaking and one charge of the batteries will keep the gun shooting for at least 3000 rounds + there is also no effort needed to cock the mechanism. I used an S200 for a few years after surgery cos it was light and would not have a word said against them but to pick up and use a bespoke rifle is a real joy and, if you buy wisely,-not much more outlay. I spoke to the people at Daystate before I bought mine (second hand) and they are great to deal with-try asking Air Arms for advice on buying a used gun. The S200 will always be a brilliant gun but my MK3 has already shown its ability to outclass it on all counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Daystate all the way for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Daystate all the way for me! ...except for the two theobens, the BSA, the Crosman and the Weihrauch you also own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I think that you should try a Daystate timmytree before slagging them off-I held exactly the same views till I bought a MK3 a few days ago. The trigger trips like thin glass breaking and one charge of the batteries will keep the gun shooting for at least 3000 rounds + there is also no effort needed to cock the mechanism. I used an S200 for a few years after surgery cos it was light and would not have a word said against them but to pick up and use a bespoke rifle is a real joy and, if you buy wisely,-not much more outlay. I spoke to the people at Daystate before I bought mine (second hand) and they are great to deal with-try asking Air Arms for advice on buying a used gun. The S200 will always be a brilliant gun but my MK3 has already shown its ability to outclass it on all counts. If I get the opportunity one day I'll try one but really I'm a springer fan! I got the S200 really to teach my youngest to shoot, I always said I would never touch a PCP but I have to admit I like it as a rabbiting tool. I'll always go for the PS for hide or static shooting though. Now if some kind soul would like to send a brand new Daystate to my address for a ten year test I'll be quite happy to give it a go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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