30-6 Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I know there was a big debate on here before about shooting into trees with a .22 rimfire and it was a definite no no on safety grounds, but is it acceptable with a FAC air rifle? Does anyone do it, or is it a no no for FAC air rifle as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 is it a no no for FAC air rifle if its fac and anything goes wrong, your shafted big style. ask your self is it worth it, whats the risk. it dont really matter what we say, if it goes wrong its down to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 i wouldnt personally, due to fear of an accident but at the end of the day it is your call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 I find it worrying that anyone with an FAC has to ask this question in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 A knowledge of your permission and confidence in your set up is a must and picking your time of day also .When there was a problem with crows once I thinned out the rookery in and around May time one year by shooting the young as they left the nest .Basically they hop from branch to branch as they haven,t quite got the confidence to fly yet .With a little skill you can move around to allow some heavy branches as backstops any way .You are also mainy pointing the rifle vertically as well .My point is I planned this shoot ...............Do I take shots in trees when I'm walking around after rabbits well the answer is NO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 I know there was a big debate on here before about shooting into trees with a .22 rimfire and it was a definite no no on safety grounds, but is it acceptable with a FAC air rifle? Does anyone do it, or is it a no no for FAC air rifle as well? I didn't think trees were recognised quarry? hahaha etc I'll get my coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 They are but only certain species and strictly only in season 32nd March until 1st April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskyfox Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 I really don't like shooting into trees with a normal powered Air rifle, let alone a FAC one. Unless I definately know where the shot is going to end up I'd be careful. -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 I know there was a big debate on here before about shooting into trees with a .22 rimfire and it was a definite no no on safety grounds, but is it acceptable with a FAC air rifle? Apart from the pellet falling outside your boundary onto some other ground I am of the opinion NO ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 well i have shot young crows in trees with .22 anand know of one or two folk who do also with no probs think you are all a bit on the over saftey thing time place common sence !! go on slag me if ya want i dont care !!! cheers kirkys special branch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 All boils down to one thing really, are you satisfied the shot is safe If you have the space, the knowledge that even if deflected the shot will fall harmlessly to earth without coming into contact with anything it shouldn't then I don't see why not. Not in a million years for the permissions I have, but I have with a legal limit air rifle before, and would again in the right circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 i do it all the time guys just check your fallout for people or livestock, as someone says its common sense, i think shooting flat there is about 4 feet drop at 100 yds. don t think it is terribly dangerous not like shooting rimfire or centrefire , i know the pellet will run out of steam after a couple of hundred yds as i say always check where you are shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 i do it all the time guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 deadeye,no offence but if there was a problem with crows why were you shooting branchers in a rookery ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 deadeye,no offence but if there was a problem with crows why were you shooting branchers in a rookery ? Non taken Digger I like most get mixed up between Crows and Rooks Basically the example given was based on the fact that this particular golf course had a problem with young crows or rooks to that matter taking the balls thinking they were eggs I suppose .The Greenkeeper got a few complaints from members as green fees are in the region of best part of £1000 per year and as I had shooting rights for rabbits he asked me if I could do something about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 no worries mate,i too get confused,to the point i overclaim the amount of crows ive shot when the farmer is watching from a few feilds away.all he sees is black falling from the sky and hes happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caplock Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 I think the key word is air rifle, fac or not, it's not going far and with nowhere near the ooomph of a rimmy even in subsonic mode. If it's wide open and green as far as you can see then why not?? A couple of hundred yards fall out should be safe enough. How many have fired a shotgun skywards with a good load of BB's or bigger. Much difference in energy levels of the individual shot compared to a .22/ .177 slug from an air rifle???. Think I read somewhere muzzle energy of the 12g shotty is in the 1-2Kft/lbs depending on load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 I think the key word is air rifle, fac or not, it's not going far and with nowhere near the ooomph of a rimmy even in subsonic mode. Just like to put some figures to that valid point .22 LR ........Muzzle energy 100 ft lbs and 1100 fps My S410 ........................35 ft lbs and 975 fps Although compared to shot a rifled projectile will travel further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Isn't it a common sense shot? Shot Possums with a .22 rf in a forest. You will know when you are being out of order or unsafe due to your conscienceand anyone who doesn't shouldn't have their ticket. Leave the lad alone now. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kipper Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Isn't it a common sense shot? Shot Possums with a .22 rf in a forest. You will know when you are being out of order or unsafe due to your conscienceand anyone who doesn't shouldn't have their ticket. Leave the lad alone now. LB LB. do you get many possums in kent mate. Its common sense really, you now your shoot and you should now your boundrys. if you are unsure then dont do it. I cant see a problem if there is no footpaths or livestock nearby but then again we dont now the situation or surroundings. Good luck , Keep it safe. KIPPER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Its abit of a dead subject really, depends on your surroundings, if it were a tree on boundries with cattle behind it, i wouldnt do it. If it were a tree next to green and plenty more fields that my farmer owns, why the hell not? fact is, if you see a pigeon sitting in a tree and you aim up to take a shot, if you hit it, the pellet aint going to travel much further is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Thanks for all the replies, as I thought it's all to with common sense. Shooting a crow out of an uppermost branch with little or no backstop is a different scenario than shooting a squirrel on a branch with a trunk behind it. Snakebite - no need to worry about me having an FAC, people are always telling me I'm too careful, be it shooting, driving or whatever. But being relatively new to FAC's just thought I'd pose the question to see how other more experienced FAC holders feel on the subject. Quite a responsible attitude on my half I think. Once again thanks for all your answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 your welcome, We are all hear to try and help each other I think. Good luck Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Snakebite - no need to worry about me having an FAC, people are always telling me I'm too careful, be it shooting, driving or whatever. But being relatively new to FAC's just thought I'd pose the question to see how other more experienced FAC holders feel on the subject. Quite a responsible attitude on my half I think. Good way to be. Didn't quite come out the way I thought in my original post, it's just I get on my soap box sometimes. I'm just a grumpy old ***! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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