Raptor1971 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 After yesterdays antics and misses with the Winchester subs I tried the lupua today with great results, we were lucky enough to be invited to start thinning the bunnies out on a 100 acre field ( it took some walking ), we took 47 shots between 2 of us on our first visit to the land and bagged 38, with the other nine making cover and possibly the holes in the hedgerow. the majority of these shots were 120 - 150 yrds due to wind and the vast space with no cover and us standing out like sore thumbs. After testing the Lupua and zeroing my sights into the change of Amo we set off on our mamouth walk due to the deep ruts and company car lol. I used the Lupua subs and my partner used the Winchester subs ( he has always used these ), the Lupua were definitely hitting the target as expected and hitting hard dropping everything first time no messing. My friend had problems with the Winchesters from the start with the very first shot on a half grown bunny head shot that didn't penetrate and it got off into the hedge and the warren. He decided to stick with them for another 5 shots with 3 having the same result. Pete then had a batch of the Lupua off me to use and everything he pulled the trigger on dropped and stopped dead in their tracks, so all in all a good test between the 2 different makes, I just hope Winchester are not cutting corners and just relying on their reputation they have built over the years. It pains me to say this but Lupua are made in Germany and if they are like any other German engineering company they will only get better . Si its Lupua for me and my Ruger , tomorrow morning on the bunny trail again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholiath Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Crikey ! 120 to 150 yd shots thats good shooting with the old .22 rimmy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Good write up. You've done the right thing and tried another brand with much better results. Ely make good quality subsonic ammo and reasonably priced too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Crikey ! 120 to 150 yd shots thats good shooting with the old .22 rimmy . A year ago id have never shot at those distance.... but now due to practice and a laser range finder im quite happy to 140 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1971 Posted June 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Crikey ! 120 to 150 yd shots thats good shooting with the old .22 rimmy . It's not that far with a good set of sights and a bipod and most of all Amo that behaves , remember you only need 2lb per foot head shot to dispatch a bunny, I have been known to hit them at 200yrd and drop them but not very often lol Good write up. You've done the right thing and tried another brand with much better results. Ely make good quality subsonic ammo and reasonably priced too Cheers, I had to try it as I was doubting myself and the sights, but now I know it's the Winnies not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 That's heroic shooting fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 What sort of groups do you get at 150yards if you don't mind me asking, I had a go at long range plinking with my .22lr and got to hitting a 6" plate at 175m but only 4-5x out of 10 they wasn't really what I'd call a consistent 'group' more lucky shots. I was having to use something daft like 2-3ft of hold over and 6" to the right on what I considered to be a fairly still day. Fair play if your comfortable at them ranges, I've got the hornet now for that sort of stuff and stick in my comfort zone of 20-75yrds with the .22lr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Could have saved yourself some time and just bought decent rounds in the first place-Eley subs or RWS take a lot of beating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Could have saved yourself some time and just bought decent rounds in the first place-Eley subs or RWS take a lot of beating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 you say in your first post your mate using winchester subs failed to penetrate a kits head, in your second post you are saying you only need 2 flb to dispatch a rabbit. you must have a terrible batch of subs there. they should be going back to winchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1971 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 you say in your first post your mate using winchester subs failed to penetrate a kits head, in your second post you are saying you only need 2 flb to dispatch a rabbit. you must have a terrible batch of subs there. they should be going back to Winchester Yes that's right, I had problems with them so decided to try something else while my friend carried on with the Winchesters until enough was proved that they were not as they should be, I started a thread asking if any other people were having probs and it looks like it's not just me and my friend with other reports, I will be contacting my supplier to see what he can do or what he's going to do if at all anything, watch this space as I will keep you informed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 you say in your first post your mate using winchester subs failed to penetrate a kits head, in your second post you are saying you only need 2 flb to dispatch a rabbit. you must have a terrible batch of subs there. they should be going back to winchester Do you think someone is getting confused between 22LR Subsonics and Sub 12ft-lb ? I can't be bothered to run the figures, but I'll bet that that a 22LR Subsonic has more than 2 ft-lb at 704yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1971 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Do you think someone is getting confused between 22LR Subsonics and Sub 12ft-lb ? I can't be bothered to run the figures, but I'll bet that that a 22LR Subsonic has more than 2 ft-lb at 704yds. We were using the .22LR subsonic for the Rimmy and it's been proved that 2flb will take a bunny down with a clean head shot at 30 yrds. Thanks for the comments and like I said I will be in touch with my supplier on Tuesday when they open up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear-uk Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Last week when using Winny subs I started on a new 50 box and the 50yd zero was miles high. On my Mamba scope I had to dial down from 6 oclock position to 1 oclock. This was half way through a 500 brick. still on the same box but can see me having to re zero on next box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 We were using the .22LR subsonic for the Rimmy and it's been proved that 2flb will take a bunny down with a clean head shot at 30 yrds. Thanks for the comments and like I said I will be in touch with my supplier on Tuesday when they open up You have me confused. but not as confused as you appear to be. When people write that 2 ft-lb will kill a rabbit they don't mean 2ft-lb at the muzzle, it's at the rabbits head, so range ( 30 yds ?) is not important. That said, are you suggesting that the Winchester Subs you were using delivered less than 2 ft-lb, and thus "didn't penetrate" the head ? If so, I'm amazed that you managed to hit the rabbit at all, the difference in trajectory between the normal 98ft-lb sub and one at 2ft-lb must be quite a few mildots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 you say in your op that your mate had head shot a half grown bunny that ran of into the hedge due to it not penetrating its head you also said that all the shots were at 120-150 yards i was just wondering how you know it didn't penetrate the bunnies head? i have head shot a rabbit at close range with the .22lr and the rabbit has run off only for me to find it later with a hole straight through it where the adrenaline has kicked in i am only asking as if your are not finding these rabbits and just assuming that the bullet didn't penetrate where it could be its just skimming off the head or your hitting its jaw bone or something like that and not hitting the brain 120-150 is a long way to see the bullet bounce off a rabbits head colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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