The life of a drug addict ...

[henry d]

Not necesserally, but it would break the line!

[unapalomablanca]

Everyone argues, debates and discusses. The general talk from the left leaning people on this forum is, you know, some people get bad parents, its not their fault blah blah. No one ever mentions the thousands upon thousands who had crappy parents, yet still managed to live without heroin. I get sick of it all to be honest, i get sick of the excuses, why is it, that decent people who dont live in this sort of world, have to suffer it, thats the real injustice. I am not going to say some of the stupid stuff like some have said on here, but its high time, the decent in society were given the resources, the sob story about heroin users will never end, but lets face it, they take the drug, they are the wreckers of society. p.s. If you are an ultra liberal society, like we are, then these people will always be with us.

[njc110381]

I appreciate what you're saying, but at the same time how do you suggest that kids who haven't even reached their teens can fight off the will of their parents? Run away? Do their own thing? You're forgetting that at that age you're very impressionable. You pretty much are a mini version of your parents.

 

I hate thieving smack heads as much as you do and my tolerance of theft to fund that habit is very limited. But I can see how these young people get into the situation they're in. They need firm help, not punishment.

[pimpkiller]

something should of been done about the parents so the children arnt in that position and so their children wont be in that position with them and so on and so forth.

 

The bottom line to me is that drugs should not be OK to take, unfortunately the opposite seems to be happening

[unapalomablanca]

I appreciate what you're saying, but at the same time how do you suggest that kids who haven't even reached their teens can fight off the will of their parents? Run away? Do their own thing? You're forgetting that at that age you're very impressionable. You pretty much are a mini version of your parents.

 

I hate thieving smack heads as much as you do and my tolerance of theft to fund that habit is very limited. But I can see how these young people get into the situation they're in. They need firm help, not punishment.

Family profiling.

[Rexcernui]

I appreciate what you're saying, but at the same time how do you suggest that kids who haven't even reached their teens can fight off the will of their parents? Run away? Do their own thing? You're forgetting that at that age you're very impressionable. You pretty much are a mini version of your parents.

 

I hate thieving smack heads as much as you do and my tolerance of theft to fund that habit is very limited. But I can see how these young people get into the situation they're in. They need firm help, not punishment.

+1

[Gordon R]

On another thread - about the Rolling Stones - is a link to the story of the ex-lead guitarist - Mick Taylor. He had the money to buy the drugs - so wasn't committing a crime to pay for them and free prescription heroin would not have eased his problem.

 

It's ruined his life, but then again, I'm sure someone will pop up with the view that there was no detriment to his health.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Gordon R

[njc110381]

If he started as an adult then I have absolutely no sympathy. Mine runs out with kids who have no choice. Adults really should know better.

[malantone]

On another thread - about the Rolling Stones - is a link to the story of the ex-lead guitarist - Mick Taylor. He had the money to buy the drugs - so wasn't committing a crime to pay for them and free prescription heroin would not have eased his problem.

 

It's ruined his life, but then again, I'm sure someone will pop up with the view that there was no detriment to his health.

 

there aren`t many like him, most can`t afford it and go thieving to fund the habit, but I still say prison isn`t the answer,

[njc110381]

Do we have any ex addicts here? I appreciate it's a bit of a personal question, but I feel that most of us would have a lot of admiration for someone who's managed to turn themselves around?

[Vipa]

Now read back to my post you failed to understand, we could quite easily put the importers dealers and smugglers out of business, the problem is those that have the capability of doing so don't want to,so can you figure out why?

 

KW

You've lost me keith.. I can't work out your stance on this?

[JonathanL]

Not necesserally, but it would break the line!

 

The line of what?

 

J.

[henry d]

Don`t even go there, I`m off to banjo a fox or two....nighty night.

[pimpkiller]

im a crack head victim because my mum and dad was and brought me up wrong then they have a kid who turns out bad because mum and dad are crack heads etc etc

[JonathanL]

And very true I am black and white on most things drugs related but some, not all see it as the only way to handle what life has dealt them. A large percentage of those on the game are connected to drugs and then organised crime. The flip side is that there are eejits out there who will try anything to see if they can get high.

 

Drug addicts don't do stupid things to get high, as such. They take drugs because they have a medical condition called addiction. This is not the same thing as as not being able to help your self to a chocolate discuit when you walk through the kitchen. It is an actual physical addiction whereupon your body cannot do without the substance being put into it. Withdrawl has dire consequenses and can be fatal.

 

J.

[pimpkiller]

I think he means taking it up in the first place.

[overandunder2012]

if y

 

Do we have any ex addicts here? I appreciate it's a bit of a personal question, but I feel that most of us would have a lot of admiration for someone who's managed to turn themselves around?

i dont know about that but on another thread it seems everyone can recommend hotels in amsterdam but maybe theres another reason

[Ralphster]

if y

 

i dont know about that but on another thread it seems everyone can recommend hotels in amsterdam but maybe theres another reason

The tulips and the clogs chief!! And I also can recommend hotels in Milan, Geneva, Paris, Brussels, London...... oh and to add more suspicion Glasgow!! LOL

Edited July 1, 2013 by Ralphster

[JonathanL]

Now read back to my post you failed to understand, we could quite easily put the importers dealers and smugglers out of business, the problem is those that have the capability of doing so don't want to,so can you figure out why?

 

KW

 

We don't have the capability. If we did then we would have stopped it. Okay, perhaps some governments would be a bit feckless about it but many wouldn't be. In fact, a lot definitely aren't.

 

If you get caught for drug smuggling in Malaysia they blindfold you, strap you to a pole and a chap walks up behind you and empties the magaine of an MP5 into the back of your neck. You can't really do a great deal more dramatic. Most of the Arab countries have similar approaches to the problem. Guess what, they still have rather significant drug problems and the chap with the MP5 doesn't look to be in danger of loosing his job.

 

You cannot put these guys out of business unless you actually make the demand for the product go away and that isn't going to happen if there are still people willing to buy it. It doesn't matter what resources you throw at the problem because the bad guys will always have more money. Have you seen the pic doing the rounds of the Mexican drug dealers house which contained more than $200,000,000 in cash? You cannot fight people like that as they will always have more money than you are willing to spend or can afford.

 

If you simply give their **** away to their customers for free, however.........

 

J.

Edited July 1, 2013 by JonathanL

[overandunder2012]

 

Drug addicts don't do stupid things to get high, as such. They take drugs because they have a medical condition called addiction. This is not the same thing as as not being able to help your self to a chocolate discuit when you walk through the kitchen. It is an actual physical addiction whereupon your body cannot do without the substance being put into it. Withdrawl has dire consequenses and can be fatal.

 

J.

same as alcohol then?

 

The tulips and the clogs chief!! And I also can recommend hotels in Milan, Geneva, Paris, Brussels, London...... oh and to add more suspicion Glasgow!! LOL

i suppose if you can still remember the hotel you gotta be innocent

Edited July 1, 2013 by overandunder2012

[Ralphster]

Interesting debate, I dont have the answers but some observations.... Seems some folk have addictions for many many things, most would say they are not addicted. It may be fatty foods, beer, whiskey, cleaning, gambling, drugs, fast cars women etc. Some addictions may not cause physical harm or mental to themselves or or others but people will always get into something. Some on here are addicted to shooting or even this website.....

 

Bans don't work, americans ban alcohol, look what happened some states banned Heavy Metal music that worked too.... If its fun ban it!!

 

Scaring folk doesn't work, Rave in the 90's 'take a pill, and your gonna die....' would have been a shortage of young folk if that were true!! And folk would say, why do they do it? Bet it wasn't because it was **** and made them feel awful, prob because they enjoyed it.

 

Legalizing or decriminalizing it doesnt stop it i.e Amsterdam, make cash from it but you walk round the lovely city and some chap walks past saying 'E's Coke Whizz' and I reply 'I don't do drugs mate and if I did why would I buy drugs from someone who's toes are hanging out their shoes' ?

 

People make a choice to do drugs, beer, smokes, birds, shoot, get fat, get thin, cut themselves and whatever takes their fancy and maybe they always thought THEY would never become an addict, like some thought they would never be bankrupt or be a drink driver during their lifetime.

 

Again dont have any answers just a few observations and thought.

[pegasus bridge]

Sorry but that is absolute rubbish, how does stopping someone reproduce stop their cycle of dependency? Do we do this to those who smoke? They will, to some extent affect their children`s health and development.

Henry

 

It stops the cycle from continuing!

So addicts breed only addicts? Really?

My wife works in a professional capacity with the unfortunate offspring who have been the product of druggies, kids lives ruined from the start, untold costs to the public purse picking up the pieces, the courts, social services local communities all paying the price as well. The default position of trying to keep kids with feckless parents just ends up (in most cases) with the child being bounced around foster parents during formative years, and in the end most usually don't end up going back to the birth mother. The cycle I was referring to Henry is this cycle .

[JonathanL]

Everyone argues, debates and discusses. The general talk from the left leaning people on this forum is, you know, some people get bad parents, its not their fault blah blah. No one ever mentions the thousands upon thousands who had crappy parents, yet still managed to live without heroin. I get sick of it all to be honest, i get sick of the excuses, why is it, that decent people who dont live in this sort of world, have to suffer it, thats the real injustice. I am not going to say some of the stupid stuff like some have said on here, but its high time, the decent in society were given the resources, the sob story about heroin users will never end, but lets face it, they take the drug, they are the wreckers of society. p.s. If you are an ultra liberal society, like we are, then these people will always be with us.

 

And do you include that 8 year old who was being prostituted by her mother for heroin and who was on it her self by her teens?

 

J.

[kdubya]

 

We don't have the capability. If we did then we would have stopped it.

 

J.

Of course we have the capability to stop it problem is do we want to stop it? do you think its just the neanderthal halfwit on the street corner who controls it, ask yourself just who does have the finance to organise it all?

 

KW

[JonathanL]

On another thread - about the Rolling Stones - is a link to the story of the ex-lead guitarist - Mick Taylor. He had the money to buy the drugs - so wasn't committing a crime to pay for them and free prescription heroin would not have eased his problem.

 

It's ruined his life, but then again, I'm sure someone will pop up with the view that there was no detriment to his health.

 

Well, that's his choice as far as his own health goes. He isn't out robbing and stealing to get it so isn't personally causing much social upset.

 

The fact that he has helped some seriously nasty people to make a lot of money (with grave consequences for almost everyone else they come into contact with) is an entirely diferent matter though. This is why it should be prescrtibed to addicts rather than legalised.

 

J.

 

J.