pigeonblasterian Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 It says he admitted three charges of killing seven buzzards. To me that seems as though he was targeting buzzards with the intention of killing them. It is people like him that give shooting a bad press. He knew it was illegal and he should not have been let off so lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codeye Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 No sympathy whatever so called reason he had and even more so if he was a volunteer he did it for personal gain ie more birds for him to shoot. On his syndicate if all you so called shooters would consider buzzards such a problem why not chuck a few quid extra into buy an extra few poults so a buzzard can live in its natural environment whereas a foreign bird gets protected so you can go all go have a few good days out in my opinion you dont give a stuff about the envirronment or countryside code of conduct. If you did you would understand each and everthing has its place. He got what was coming to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 No sympathy whatever so called reason he had and even more so if he was a volunteer he did it for personal gain ie more birds for him to shoot. On his syndicate if all you so called shooters would consider buzzards such a problem why not chuck a few quid extra into buy an extra few poults so a buzzard can live in its natural environment whereas a foreign bird gets protected so you can go all go have a few good days out in my opinion you dont give a stuff about the envirronment or countryside code of conduct. If you did you would understand each and everthing has its place. He got what was coming to him What he did was ilegal yes But saying everything has its place you must also be against pigeon shooting I wonder what rights the rspca has to go onto private property and rig up cameras??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 If it was a buzzard or a pair there wouldn't be an issue, but some have absolutely loads to contend with, no one wants them wiped out they want a sensible number that you can feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 No sympathy whatever so called reason he had and even more so if he was a volunteer he did it for personal gain ie more birds for him to shoot. On his syndicate if all you so called shooters would consider buzzards such a problem why not chuck a few quid extra into buy an extra few poults so a buzzard can live in its natural environment whereas a foreign bird gets protected so you can go all go have a few good days out in my opinion you dont give a stuff about the envirronment or countryside code of conduct. If you did you would understand each and everthing has its place. He got what was coming to him Whilst there is never an excuse for breaking the law it takes a saint to sit back and watch pheasants you nurtured and fed predated day after day. All very well saying just chuck a few extra quid into buying more poults but the cost to produce a grown bird is £12.50. No small amount when each buzzard takes say 1 bird a day. With the growing numbers of buzzards the problem can only get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Pelt Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Yet again another who just just does not or refuses to understand game shooting or predation by buzzards. Another wild assumption ! Thanks, enjoyed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Well if he is that ill ,Scully, maybe we should finish him off with a stout branch? I have no sympathy for him.You can finish him off if you want, but I think you may find that is just as illegal as bashing Raptors to death.I have no sympathy for the predicament he has brought upon himself, ( he has done shooting no favours at all) but I can find sympathy for the predicament he is faced with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Some people just do not learn ! the very same thing happened on a shoot near High Wycombe in Bucks a few years ago where the RSPB had a camera set up on a larson trap that had a buzzard in it , & what happens ? the keeper tuns up & is filmed killing it with stick . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 you got any links to facts on that one pole star? round there I'd be surprised if there were many buzzards as they don't seem to mix well with Kites and that area is alive with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 al4x... http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/592289.gamekeepers_fined_pound4k_for_killing_bird/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 you got any links to facts on that one pole star? round there I'd be surprised if there were many buzzards as they don't seem to mix well with Kites and that area is alive with them. See RossEMs post & that says it all al4x ATB Pole Star ps I know the very shoot this happened on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 the time may explain things as the release project has now filled the area with kites 8 years ago there were no where near so many. Should have prosecuted the RSPB bloke for causing unnecessary suffering for watching a buzzard in a trap for 2 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 al4x... http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/592289.gamekeepers_fined_pound4k_for_killing_bird/ Thanks for that Ross you were quick off the mark . Ross just to let you lads know , sadly the farmer where you had a barny with that yob from the boot shaped country pssed away recently . ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) the time may explain things as the release project has now filled the area with kites 8 years ago there were no where near so many. Should have prosecuted the RSPB bloke for causing unnecessary suffering for watching a buzzard in a trap for 2 hours Agree al4x they knew the bird was in there but the RSPB would rather wait & see what happened because they love keeper bashing , had they had been true to the wording of their organization they would have contacted the keeper & told him the buzzard was in the trap & would he pop down & release it ! . No they wanted a conviction , so the buzzard was expendable in their eyes . Edited July 19, 2013 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 You can finish him off if you want, but I think you may find that is just as illegal as bashing Raptors to death. I have no sympathy for the predicament he has brought upon himself, ( he has done shooting no favours at all) but I can find sympathy for the predicament he is faced with. Agree al4x they knew the bird was in there but the RSPB would rather wait & see what happened because they love keeper bashing , had they had been true to the wording of their organization they would have contacted the keeper & told him the buzzard was in the trap & would he pop down & release it ! . No they wanted a conviction , so the buzzard was expendable in their eyes . I think that these two posts sum it all up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 the time may explain things as the release project has now filled the area with kites 8 years ago there were no where near so many. Should have prosecuted the RSPB bloke for causing unnecessary suffering for watching a buzzard in a trap for 2 hours I just love the last sentence in the Free Press article !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I just love the last sentence in the Free Press article !! Of course Buzzards don't eat pheasants ? every one in the RSPB knows they eat MARS BARS ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 RSPB, Natural England and the RSPCA - None can be trusted. I just love the last sentence in the Free Press article !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Some one should tell the RSPB that they even take Phalarope's clean out of the air ! , anyone on here got a link into the photo clips that were shown some time ago of this happening OOPS ! I forgot to add it may just have been a mars bar with wings ! & I'm mistaken Edited July 19, 2013 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I just love the last sentence in the Free Press article !! I know I tried to ignore that for the tripe it was, Its funny how it goes but I found a dead buzzard chick the other week and normally you'd have a look etc but I steered well away just in case there was any filming going on. We have had issues with some being allegedly poisoned nearby so the last thing you want is to be near a nest with a dead one under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) I know I tried to ignore that for the tripe it was, Its funny how it goes but I found a dead buzzard chick the other week and normally you'd have a look etc but I steered well away just in case there was any filming going on. We have had issues with some being allegedly poisoned nearby so the last thing you want is to be near a nest with a dead one under. Good thinking there al4x you just never know ? . I hope people take note that not every one in the RSPB is an anti but at the same time there are antis in the RSPB who I believe work to their own private agenda & I know of a very suspicious case that ended with a Taxidermist friend of mine being hauled to court & thank God the judge had the sense to chuck the RSPBs case out . So if anyone sees any thing suspicious its best you don't touch it . Edited July 19, 2013 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Interesting bit on Buzzard control by the Country siade Alliance in the Country Mans Weekly . It seems the RSPB is opposed to Natural England granting a licenses to a keeper to control them & the RSPB said that Buzzards are" specially protected ". But it turns out that the RSPB use the same licenses to cull other birds ! , strange world !. Edited July 19, 2013 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) It's a shame that the police seem intent in making criminals out of men that are up against it with raptors. game keeping is a hard job made harder with the current economic climate, and the continued increase in buzzard numbers I'm not saying he was right but how many successful prosecutions have cumbria police made in the shocking amount of deer poaching that happens daily everyone knows who commits the vast amount of deer poaching throughout Cumbria yet not one man has been jailed for it ( yet one prolific poacher brags in the pup pf making £15000 plus a year from deer)the only crimes that the wildlife crime officer seems bothered about are illegal raptor deaths , maybe its because the rspb do the hard work with video evidence Also for everyone who thinks that a buzzard will only take a odd game bird knows nothing about keeping game birds they will take poults right through to full grow hen pheasants and they will bring there fledged young to a pen to teach them to hunt its not just the problem of the poults they kill directly but the fact that birds don't feel safe in there pen and fly out , then at last light the ones that return and jug on the edge of the pens can get mopped up by mr fox . I'm not sticking up for the guy but I know what it feels like to be under pressure to produce and being unable to do anything about the continued rise in buzzards ( how many licences have been granted to control buzzard numbers ) the guy has broke the law that's a fact but at the age if 64 he may of only been jailed for 70 days but what's his chance of finding another job and most-probably home when he is released bjlfishing, Having kept & flown Buzzards I know that most of what you say here is correct except its unlikely that a wild buzzard will take full grown hen pheasants, an unusually large female might just do it . But as most of us who have dabbled in Hawking know that a trained hawk is capable of taking bigger prey that their wild relations , & Buzzards I have flown have had trouble holding on to a half grown rabbit, therefore they would have the same problem with a hen pheasant . But as said it might be possible on some occasions but I will say it is doubtful it would happen very often . ATB Edited July 19, 2013 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I've seen one sitting on a feeder and just dropping off onto poults, if ever I wanted to break the law with a 58g vmax that was it. I didn't but I did move it on and make sure it couldn't sit on the feeder again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 You should come and watch them here. I watch them take poults and adults day in day out. When I cut our mowing grass a couple of weeks ago I counted 32 in the air above me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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