telf Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 have been using this ammo for about 2 years now and have always found it spot on,however the packaging changed from blue packets to black packets not so long ago and since then i have found i am missing shots i would normally hit no problem,so my question, since the packets changed have winchester done something to the ammo as well,i am aware it could be a dodgy batch but the gamekeeper has said he has also found this,some rounds appear to be shooting high,anyone else with this problem,am thinking of going back to cci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 I have/had some in the blue box which I found to be totally inaccurate. There is no batch number on the box, and I have another 500 that I hope will be okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Last brick I bought (new packaging) are spot on accurate although a little lower than normal speed @1024fps av. Last brick I bought in old blue packaging were not so good,usable but some fliers & a wide spread through chrono:1026-1071fps.For the amount I have used over the years most have been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatGun Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 My mate had exactly same problem funnily enough. Winchesters wont group at all now spreading around 2" @ 50 yards ! Exact same situation. Last night we went and shot eley, cci , rws etc and he settled on the eleys which came back at around 1/4" groups.... much better I don't think they've altered the round its more than likely just a different batch and youl get this with any ammo. In 6 months time you may buy another batch from Winchester of the same ammo and it will shoot alright, in the meantime id just switch ammo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 I have used Winchester sub sonic ammunition for over 30 years, and they used to be 38grn. Only now, after all these years am I having problems with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted July 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 been out again tonight and although they seemed to be better still had 3 go high for no reason,think i might go back to cci s for a while,as has been said could just be the batch just seems a bit strange the problem seems to have come with the change of packaging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 I had a similar post on a while ago as I lost zero in one night when changing batch ! I lost confidence in there ability to make a clean kill at 60+ yards ..... I changed to remmy subs and ain't changed since ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 i have been on the new stuff some time now, no problems as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear-uk Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Same problems for me. Having to recheck zero on every box. All over the place and from same brick. Few misfires also. Trying others but not done any proper testing yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted July 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 i think winchester are the best selling 22 subs and have been for quite a while,but if the problems persist,and its found to be more widespread i can see a lot of people changing steve b if you have a box of blue left,does the hollow point look to be the same size as the new packaged ones,probably clutching at straws but just wondering if theres any differance visually although i suppose if they have done anything it would be so small you wouldnt notice the differance anyway,could they have shaved a bit off the 40g ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 i think winchester are the best selling 22 subs and have been for quite a while,but if the problems persist,and its found to be more widespread i can see a lot of people changing steve b if you have a box of blue left,does the hollow point look to be the same size as the new packaged ones,probably clutching at straws but just wondering if theres any differance visually although i suppose if they have done anything it would be so small you wouldnt notice the differance anyway,could they have shaved a bit off the 40g ? I have'nt got any new ones to compare my old stock with. I would'nt have thought that the bullet weight has been reduced, more of a problem with powder weight. I buy my ammunition in blocks of 500 or 1000, and can't remember where I bought the last lot, as I've had them for over a year. As mentioned in a previous post, I have used Winchester subs since the 1980's and have always praised them for their accuracy and quality. I'm not too sure now as my confidence in them has been dented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I've had the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanieboy Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I find RWS much better than Winchester - very accurate and consistent for the same price. Of course what suits my rifle may not suit another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I need to find out the importer of Winchester ammunition into the UK, to see what they have to say regarding this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted July 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 keep us posted steve,as others have said my confidence in what used to be a very reliable and consistent bullet is now greatly reduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tignme Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Someone will correct me if wrong but as far as i am aware 95% of 22 rimmie ammo is made in the CCI factory in the USA. CCI make other branded products. Yes bad batchs are norm probs but u need to find a subsonic that your rifle likes n stick with it. upgrade your allowance n buy a big brick of one batch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I'm sure that a lot of Winchester ammunition is manufactured in Australia. As mentioned, I've used 1000's of Winchester sub sonic for over 30 years, and most were fired through my BRNO Model 2 which I recently got rid of. My new CZ452 gets on well with them, apart from the faulty batch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Unless something has changed in the last 18 months, the last I heard Winchester .22 subs were indeed manufactured in Australia. It would be worth finding out of that is still the case. If production has moved that is very likely to account for this, in which case I would lose faith in Winchesters. If it has not, it is likely a bad batch is the cause. This does happen even with the best ammo. I've been using Lapua SK for ages. The last batch I bought, though, were very waxy and hopelessly erratic. I took them back and got a brick of Winchesters instead - which are fine - and I was planning to return to SKs when the winchesters were gone trusting that the bad batch had gone through the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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