Breastman Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 It seems to be the full opposite swing of the pendulum. I have a dog which doesnt like anything much and hes a great dane mastiff cross. I have a 'Danger guard dog' sign on my gate which is bolted and 100yds from the house. If someone came in would I be liable for their stupidity ? Naturally with invited guests I could guarantee the dogs would be in and guests would be safe. I dont see it as my liability if someone enters and is savaged despite the warnings. What about burglars ? Who decides ? Someone needs to rethink this so that dogs left unattended with a non owner in a confined space should be responsible for their dogs behaviour but more than that it seems a little ill-though-through. As ridiculous as this sounds, just using the word 'danger' on a sign can get you in trouble if you end up in court as you have effectively admitted there you have done something that could endanger other people. You should change it either 'caution' or 'warning' to be on the safe side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 You are right about this. As ridiculous as this sounds, just using the word 'danger' on a sign can get you in trouble if you end up in court as you have effectively admitted there you have done something that could endanger other people. You should change it either 'caution' or 'warning' to be on the safe side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 As ridiculous as this sounds, just using the word 'danger' on a sign can get you in trouble if you end up in court as you have effectively admitted there you have done something that could endanger other people. You should change it either 'caution' or 'warning' to be on the safe side I concur. On my fence I have a sign saying beware of the dog, he's a frightful bore and can be prone to sudden bouts of extreme sarcasm. I have had no bother at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 I concur. On my fence I have a sign saying beware of the dog, he's a frightful bore and can be prone to sudden bouts of extreme sarcasm. I have had no bother at all. I reckon my dog should get on well with yours, she's a total bitch! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny12w Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 As a parent of two young children I find that if a dog comes running up to them while we are walking in a public place I dont know whether the dog is out of control, is going to bite them or just being friendly & going to lick them. When dealing with an animal - and it doesnt matter how well trained the dog is, it is still an animal - you cannot trust it especially around young children. I would have no qualms at all about phoning the police instantly if my children were bitten (doesnt matter how softly), making a complaint & considering starting legal procedures against the owners as they are the ones responsible for letting the dog be in a public place without a lead on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) It seems to be the full opposite swing of the pendulum. I have a dog which doesnt like anything much and hes a great dane mastiff cross. I have a 'Danger guard dog' sign on my gate which is bolted and 100yds from the house. If someone came in would I be liable for their stupidity ? Naturally with invited guests I could guarantee the dogs would be in and guests would be safe. I dont see it as my liability if someone enters and is savaged despite the warnings. What about burglars ? Who decides ? Someone needs to rethink this so that dogs left unattended with a non owner in a confined space should be responsible for their dogs behaviour but more than that it seems a little ill-though-through. I think they could take 'danger guard dog' sign to mean be careful, therefore, if they were careful and were still attacked by the dog I don't know where you'd stand. I think you'd be better off with a 'do not enter' or 'keep out' sign. I could be wrong? Edited August 7, 2013 by Rimfireboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 As a parent of two young children I find that if a dog comes running up to them while we are walking in a public place I dont know whether the dog is out of control, is going to bite them or just being friendly & going to lick them. When dealing with an animal - and it doesnt matter how well trained the dog is, it is still an animal - you cannot trust it especially around young children. I would have no qualms at all about phoning the police instantly if my children were bitten (doesnt matter how softly), making a complaint & considering starting legal procedures against the owners as they are the ones responsible for letting the dog be in a public place without a lead on. nice rational approach, if only I could report feral out of control children to the police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny12w Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 nice rational approach, if only I could report feral out of control children to the police I wish we could as well!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) Its all about the owner being in control of the dog, which is far from what happens. Legislation already dictates that dogs must be under the owners control at all times when in a public place and I believe the changes being proposed extended this to private property. When walking my dogs they are always leashed at all times when in public places, to ensure I have total control at all times. In my opinion it is high time that all owners were made to leash their dogs whilst in public places. Yup, on the leash is obviously the answer http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-toddler-seriously-hurt-in-rottweiler-attack-8749778.html Edited August 7, 2013 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPV4 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Yup, on the leash is obviously the answer http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-toddler-seriously-hurt-in-rottweiler-attack-8749778.html I see the need for the whistling smilie after your comment! You may have noted that this incident occurred in a private dwelling and not a public place. It's victim would have been in very close proximity to the dog for it to reach and attack while leashed, what was the little girl doing a the time? we don't know, she could have been antagonising the dog, who knows. What ever happened, its very sad and unpredicted and the owner obviously was not in full control of the dog at the time. I think this just goes to back up how unpredictable and dangerous dogs can be, given that they will attack possibly their own family members so savagely. I feel very sorry for the little girl and I hope she makes a speedy recovery. I hope the owner is mortified at what has happened. We all know as dog owners that there is always the possibility that if circumstances dictate any dog can bite, so this is why it is important that the owners are in full control at all times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 I think they could take 'danger guard dog' sign to mean be careful, therefore, if they were careful and were still attacked by the dog I don't know where you'd stand. I think you'd be better off with a 'do not enter' or 'keep out' sign. I could be wrong?I have been told that from an insurance point of view if you say DANGER then anyone proceeding does so at their own risk. However, if you put WARNING GUARD DOG that will not protect you from a claim by someone who was bitten and said they noted the warning but interpreted it as "just be careful". With the other posts, I have no idea now which is best but, come a change in legislation I'll talk to the insurance company and hope not to become a 'test' case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Mongrel, just looking at your post in the bull thread, regarding bulls in fields accessed by walkers on rights of way, (copy below). It appears contradictory to your thoughts on dogs in public places and dogs can be just as dangerous! "Which is perhaps why it's necessary to ensure potentially dangerous animal aren't able to come in contact with the clueless?" In my opinion, the difference lies in the lethality of the animal. A bull is capable of easily killing an adult and known to be generally unpredictable. A dog is in the main unlikely to kill an adult and are in the main not unpredictable. I accept there are going to be exceptions to the rule but, your average lab, or come to that your chihuahua, does not readily attack people and even less so kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 I see the need for the whistling smilie after your comment! You may have noted that this incident occurred in a private dwelling and not a public place. It's victim would have been in very close proximity to the dog for it to reach and attack while leashed, what was the little girl doing a the time? we don't know, she could have been antagonising the dog, who knows. What ever happened, its very sad and unpredicted and the owner obviously was not in full control of the dog at the time. I think this just goes to back up how unpredictable and dangerous dogs can be, given that they will attack possibly their own family members so savagely. I feel very sorry for the little girl and I hope she makes a speedy recovery. I hope the owner is mortified at what has happened. We all know as dog owners that there is always the possibility that if circumstances dictate any dog can bite, so this is why it is important that the owners are in full control at all times! In full control at all times? I'll guarantee that even with your dog an a leash, you are not in full control. Someone walking past you could be nailed in a second if your dog so chose. You may be righteous, but not even you will be that good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 What if your dog rapes somebody? I'm not doing time for my chuffing dog! you might have to get his claws clipped though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 i keep my dogs on the lead for the most part when in public places the only time i let them off is when theres nobody around its a personal choice not for the protection of others its for the protection of my dogs if they are firmly under control it will be unlikely they will ever be in any situations where they could be accused of anything. i do trust my dogs but accidents can happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPV4 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 In full control at all times? I'll guarantee that even with your dog an a leash, you are not in full control. Someone walking past you could be nailed in a second if your dog so chose. You may be righteous, but not even you will be that good! I'm not righteous at all, we are all entitled to an opinion and I'm sorry if you don't like mine, but that's just tough. You have stated your opinion, contradictory that it is and whether I like it or not you are entitled to it. So good for you and as I have said previously we will have to agree to disagree. Anyway I haven't got the time or the energy to waste tonight on the subject, I have a fox to bag, hopefully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 You are entitled to your opinion and I'd defend your right to it. Doesn't make you automatically right though no matter how many times you say it. Good luck with the Charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 you might have to get his claws clipped though Tell me about it, my backs shredded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosshair Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Who makes these laws ?. It's well known I live on a remote farm, and it's well known my sheepdogs don't take prisoners. They are a deterrent to the theiving community, and apart from being working dogs they do protect their patch. When I go to neighbours farms I understand that their dogs are the same as mine, protective of their property, it is a hard call to prosecute every dog owner, especially if all they are doing is being protective of a remote farm. If silly laws like this become law then shooting permissions might just become a lot harder to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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