RossEM Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I was rooting through the garage the other day and found a few of these, which got me thinking: With the spiralling costs of cartridge manufacturing, why haven't these been revisited - surely they must be cheaper to produce? I'm sure I've seen a 7.62 bullet casing made of black plastic. I wonder if cases could be manufactured from recycled materials? As with the slow development of fibre wads & 2 1/2" cases for steel loads, Do the R&D departments of cartridge manufacturers not realise demands exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I think it's more a case of not wanting to waste money investing in R & D when such a fine profit is brought in from the current range, although I'm happy to be proved wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Rottweil used to offer carts like these. I think that they were the MK2 but I'm not sure. I'd have to go and rummage about in the leftover box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rem708 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I have a 5.56 case somewhere in plastic. I think it was a military experimental that did not catch on. I can't see any reason why a shot cartridges should not be fully plastic as we already use the material in current designs. I'm not even sure what the metal cup does other than maybe securing the primer a bit better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 plastic goes brittle over time, and the issues that have been present are the rims snap or shatter, the firing sequence can tear these up as it is. some of my loads are extremely tough on a case. there have been a few manufacturers to develop metal free case, these never took off because domestic hulls are **** cheap. the standard domestic hulls have been econamised. they got thinner and the plastic less dense.the normal loading sequence is about as much as a case can take, thats what its designed for.... less plastic / thiner is cheaper. helarco did a metal free case, it didnt take off... too expensive. the plastic for 100% plastic hulls need to be denser and thicker. thats the cost. shame because they would be very realistic recyclable. (well to a point.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) I have a Rottweil one sat in front of the computer. Edited August 24, 2013 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Shaw Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 The HI-TECH plastic cases still had an internal steel base washer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 The Rottweil is all plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I had some years ago cant find them any where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I was rooting through the garage the other day and found a few of these, which got me thinking: With the spiralling costs of cartridge manufacturing, why haven't these been revisited - surely they must be cheaper to produce? I'm sure I've seen a 7.62 bullet casing made of black plastic. I wonder if cases could be manufactured from recycled materials? As with the slow development of fibre wads & 2 1/2" cases for steel loads, Do the R&D departments of cartridge manufacturers not realise demands exist? carts.jpg I remember them carts I had some years ago for geese in 3 shot they killed cleanly and I shot my first ever goose with them in Scotland 22 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I had some Hi-Tec years ago..... NOT cheap though....and if I remember they were red?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 I've got some of the red plastic cases, called activ maybe? Another wildfowler gave them to me as he had reloaded the cases with steel 3s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Steel is probably far cheaper than plastic to produce and has more strength for the rim, the brass electro plated i imagine would be a few pence per thousand if that On some loads the case walls are quite tight and need a lot of pulling power on the ejectors/ extractors Edited August 25, 2013 by ChrisAsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Shaw Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The Rottweil is all plastic. The Red Hi Tech Active cases looked plastic but had a steel base washer, they also re-loaded very well, I still have some I use, these are pics of some I have cut up."sorry they are not very clear" Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I am sure there is a caseless bullet made for the milatry maybe this is the way it will end up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 there is .heckler n koch do 1,the powders "glued"together for want of a better description.as your man said over time plastic goes brittle sunlight breaks it down thats why double glazing goes yellow. theres some very hard abs plastics out there but then cost is the issue.plastic being made of oil and we all know how cheap that is when we fill up these days.cheap steel bases cadmium plated to look brass and the thinnest wall thickness u can get away with sell in millions .so they arent gonna spend money fixing what isnt broke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 You are correct, about 20-25 years ago. An all green case. Rottweil used to offer carts like these. I think that they were the MK2 but I'm not sure. I'd have to go and rummage about in the leftover box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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