i dont no Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Is there anyone out there that makes a 3.5" chamber side by side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Yelditz do advertised in this months sporting gun Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 There might be but it would probably be a horrid thing to shoot! might as well get a 10 gauge Zabala or Lauruna probably did/do PS welcome PPS Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I have a yelditz .410 and its a dream to shoot got me 12th place in the WORLD .410 championships last year hope to do better this year Deeershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i dont no Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Well... I am looking to put a lot of shot out. The obvious choose would have been a 4bore. However, they are realy not in my budget. On reading the amount of lead as 3.5 cartage puts out i was thinking about both barrels. it is a very long way round to getting a "small" punt gun. As i don't have a laith. And don't have the skill to borrow one. any advice for my hair brained ideas welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 my fabarm beta lux has 3 1/2 chambers.....not brave enough to use mini magnums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) guns for sale on this forum is a ten bore for £175 sxs a bausc I think theres your answer ,and you have to use no toxic for wildfowl not lead. Edited August 31, 2013 by muncher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Do you know a good physiotherapist ? your gonna need one! Jeepers 84 grm of steel through a 12ga shoulder gun in one hit ! Come and double discharge my double ten - that will put you off the idea and its a lot heavier gun that the Turkish gun (that I cannot spell ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i dont no Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 These are good suggestions. Do they have double triggers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Zabala-LP-71-waterfowl-gun-for-sale-gs148050.aspx DOuble trigger and may have the pull the back trigger both barrels go at once 3.5" 10 gauge would need steel proofing and chokes opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 As I recall 12`s with 3.5" only go to about 50/52 grams in this country, you may correct me if wrong, but you wouldn`t get that sort of fire power for a 12 in this country, yanks yes, but they do not know any better, I would think it would Blow the gun up with 84 grms of Steel.. go on try it, lets all see the result.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 As I recall 12`s with 3.5" only go to about 50/52 grams in this country, you may correct me if wrong, I think that was firing both barrels at once so 2 x 42g rather than open 84g shell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Surely you wouldn't be able to shoot lead over water anyway? 3 1/2" 12 bore. 63gramsX2=flat.on.yer.bum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) guns for sale on this forum is a ten bore for £175 sxs a bausc I think theres your answer ,and you have to use no toxic for wildfowl not lead. TRY THIS http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/258401-basc-10-gauge/?hl=gauge Edited August 31, 2013 by malantone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 If also got a basque 10 bore side by side. Chokes have been opened up so it'll take steel. They are a solid gun but I'm going to have to move mine on soon as I never get the time to use it :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandango Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Well... I am looking to put a lot of shot out. The obvious choose would have been a 4bore. However, they are realy not in my budget. On reading the amount of lead as 3.5 cartage puts out i was thinking about both barrels. it is a very long way round to getting a "small" punt gun. As i don't have a laith. And don't have the skill to borrow one. any advice for my hair brained ideas welcome. There is a double discharge 10 bore o/u "armatilia" 43" barrel, 3.5" chamber, this is built to DD by selecting the rear trigger first,, only thing is I have been told there is only 6 in the uk,,,,,, I have one of them and will be on the marsh with it in the morning,,,,,,,,yehhhhhh If you get a double trigger Sxs and and if its mechanicaly possible swap the front trigger with the back,,,,, this can cause a dd, due to the curvature of the triggers,, so technically your pulling the 2 triggers,,,,,,wouldn't recommend it in a light gun though,, it,ll break your fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i dont no Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I already use a 3" sxs and its good. (&i know im not allowed to use lead! But thankyou for pointing it out) i didn't think i would get anything like this respond. is there anyone in Scotland that would fancy working with me in making a punt gun (cannon)? It doesn't need to be prity, just functional and robust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 SO does the 3.5" Double 10 not interest you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i dont no Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 It does, but i would like to stick with 12b until i get what i am realy looking for. Also i am based in north Scotland so i will not be able to pop by to have a look. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky gipsy Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) Is this info any good to you (it is from Entwistle Guns, Preston, web site. I am sure you could one sent to your nearest RFD if interested. ATB S.G. Yildiz A3-T-M 12 Bore 31/2 inch magnumYILDIZ A3-T-M 12 BORE 3-1/2 INCH MAGNUM By Lewis Potter A couple of years ago I reported on the Yildiz Eleganta 12 bore 3 inch magnum that was available as a wildfowling gun. My conclusion at that time was that it was really a worthy multi-purpose gun rather than a dedicated wildfowling piece. I envisaged its role covering wildfowling, pigeon shooting and also as a capable side by side clay buster. However, the makers have listened to feedback from, amongst others, the UK importer and now produce much more of a wildfowling version, the non-ejector 3-1/2 inch magnum A3-T-M variant. There is an option of an ejector gun but to me a non-ejector makes sense when out on the salt marsh, that truly wild and lonely place under a big sky, an unforgiving environment where unnecessary complexity can prove a nuisance. My personal specification is for a basic gun that should be strong, simply constructed and capable of firing a big shot load quite comfortably. Does it fit the bill? So, does the new Yildiz fit the bill? Well, my suggestion of a matt black action to match the barrels did not bear fruit but, to be fair, this was very much a personal preference. It is also necessary to appreciate that good looks are important to catch the eye when racked up in the gunshop. Needless to say, the matt silver action body with ducks in flight on the action bar, decorative scroll work and the smugly satisfied-looking retriever with dead duck are still part of the package. In fact, it remains overall quite a handsome gun in a chunky sort of way, obviously economising on parts common to the game gun variant. The action body is steel, now without the separate plate let into the face of the standing breech, while the forend iron (if this is not a cont Edited September 1, 2013 by sky gipsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 I might fancy going double trigger fixed choke or single trigger multi choke in a 12 ga 3" magnum myself if it were a proper wildfowling gun as regards modern high tech coatings, maybe even a synthetic stock and proper sling swivels. Non ejector makes good logic on the marsh as does easy barrel checks for mud and ice blockages. What might make that gun even more appealing is a quick drop trigger group following dunkings etc. Alas I don't think it exists 3 1/2" 12 ga is a chambering I am rapidly falling out of love with though, in high speed / low pressure loads that can now be created 3" will do most things and then there on in the ten takes over. I get better patterns and less recoil at lower std operating pressure you see. By next season I recon the 12ga auto might be being fed a whole new diet 34-36 grm is a lot more BB than lead and if I can get it to hit as hard?............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Kent, why has the 3.5" chamber fallen out of favour with you? Is it just the advances with 3" loads? I use a 3" chambered Remington 11-87 at the moment and was considering going up to a 3.5" gun for the simple reason that the remington doesnt like lifting 3" roll turn over loads into the chamber from the mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 I think that was firing both barrels at once so 2 x 42g rather than open 84g shell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i dont no Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Both barrels at once is exactly where i was going. And have been with the 3". I am using it as a cheep punt gun until i can find or build what i realy want. that said there has been a lot of food for thought in all the comments. @kent thankyou. That is just the info i was looking for. but will happily read any more words of wisdom that people have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Kent, why has the 3.5" chamber fallen out of favour with you? Is it just the advances with 3" loads? I use a 3" chambered Remington 11-87 at the moment and was considering going up to a 3.5" gun for the simple reason that the remington doesnt like lifting 3" roll turn over loads into the chamber from the mag. Few reasons. one is the far higher std operating pressures than the 10ga it is meant to replicate and even replace. The other is how it actually performs with a like for like load, at 50 yds the retained energy and patterns between the two are chalk and cheese ( the ten produces real patterns the 12 just a random selection of strikes), (the ten puts BB through a piece of 12 mm ply the twelve sticks a few in) using equal loads and claimed equal speeds. Recoil is far greater for given load, this might be due to both the operating pressures and not least the weight of the gun (comparing a gas op 12 ga with a double ten mind you). Another aspect is remember when we used lead and the 3" 12ga magnum with BB and no.1? Seemed to kill geese pretty well, yet many still carry the mind set of weight of charge 1 oz of steel equates to 1 3/8 oz of lead by volume that's one heck of a lot of shot in a lead 12! Yet we look on it backwards by trying to get close to the lead weight NOT the volume (the very reason why the bigger case of the 3 1/2" was deemed required). For example 28 grm of steel is considered a light load yet the pellet count should be quite ample (actually its about 70 per 28grm / 1oz in BB- were as its 97 at the 1 3/8 oz), all we need to do is drive the lighter charge faster which we can now do with better wads and powder etc.. Because we have some crazy rules for factory ammo here the industry caters to the "weight of charge" buyers idea- hence we have not developed steel down the right path. Just my thoughts and feelings at the present time, besides some of the old 12 ga magnum guns are very cheap but far better made than some of the trash that's peddled at us today. If you look at facts you could have a nice double ten plus another double 12 magnum for the price of a Winchester auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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