figgy Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 As title I would like to know which organisation to sign up with to get legal expense cover. Some other members would also like to know. I know I can go to a broker and get it cheap or pay BASC the extra, I would rather pay a little more and help support another shooting /country sports organisation while getting the cover I want. Don't want a slagging match or BASC bashing thread. Just informed info from members if other organisations. Thanks for any replies in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) For the price and cover offered I think I will be looking at SACS when I renew. http://www.sacs.org.uk/folder-3-insurance Edited September 9, 2013 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Countryside Alliance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I am with both BASC and SACS. Only just joined SACS after reading about a case where one of the members on here got his SGC back after going to court. The costs should he have lost were an eye opener so I immediately bit the bullet. As to which one I stay with, that all depends on what BASC come up with as David BASC on here has stated that a Legal expenses policy is being discussed. In the current climate the best such policy is going to get my future subscription. Edited September 9, 2013 by Sprackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Countryside Alliance.. Countryside Alliance don't say legal expense cover. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Upto now SACS is looking the likely winner. But ill wait and see if any others are good. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Upto now SACS is looking the likely winner. But ill wait and see if any others are good. Figgy I think I'm with you on this one Figgy, been thinking hard about this over the last few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I think I'm with you on this one Figgy, been thinking hard about this over the last few days. And me. I was going with the NGO but SASC is cheaper and seems to offer more. I cannot find any other org with legal cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 just to clear up any confusion ,SACS issue cover but you are not restricted to shoot or live in scotland it covers everywhere the moment you sign up you are covered you get a news letter which contains everything SACS is doing behind the scenes as some think ian does not do much which is wrong again not bashing anybody as i see a benifit to all the groups out there for me Ian took up an issue i had with a variation and oppointed a solicitor straight away and everything was dealt with in exeptional matter. now the other confusion about the court system you are covered with these insurances but if you lose a case for whatever reason you still can be liable for costs as insurance does not cover these. this is in an event that you lose but the solicitor puts all this across and if you have good reason or wronged then that is unlikely but there is a risk. but you will be given the option to proceed and if you are right then why not proceed as the odds are in your favour but anything can happen, you take your choice and go with it, with help from Ian and SACS i won my case and would not be without them ,atb wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I'm with SACS at the moment as I had heard some good stories about their representation of members and at the time the £30 difference was very helpful. However BASC do seem to get about far more or at least publicise what they are doing far better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfitter Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I'm with Sacs to me as more and more keepers have spurious allegations made against them the legal cover they offer is a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 BASC seem to me to need to up their game in what is available to members directly from their fee and start to prioritise the issues as they review membership fees. Perhaps better if all organisations paid a levy and thus all chipped in to the common marketing/selling shooting positively/lobbying side of what needs to be done. They could all then concentrate on the special requirements of their target members. i.e. additional pet insurance strictly for gundogs. I have to say that legal representation explicitly for gun related problems, together with accident risk (for guns) and third party would seem to be pre-requisties for all representative organisations. Its also worth remembering not all of us can pay silly money or buy two memberships. With that set to increase as more people retire, its not going to go away by wishing. anyone who adds more than I need to a membership cost isnt going to get my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun sam Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Under 18's free with SACS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 My son and I are both with BASC and for £66 each it is enough to pay. It is a pity that their "Joint Membership" only applies to spouses and not fathers and sons at the same address, we do not need two magazines either. Why should serving members of HM Forces get a discount? We are members for four main reasons: Insurance - third party insurance is essential - my eyes have just been opened to the lack of legal cover. Credibility - BASC membership is taken seriously by farmers etc. Nice logo. Source of advice - have contacted them a couple of times with questions, helpful and prompt response. Support shooting - we need credible representation at a national level. SACS, more sensibly, offer "Family Membership" which applies to "two related adults or partners living at the same address" for just £50, a saving of £82 compared to BASC. BASC is starting to look a bit top heavy with an awful lot of salaried staff and all the other costs that go with that. I fear that BASC is becoming rather too complacent and needs to be reminded that it exists for the benefit of its members. Legal expenses cover is a case in point. If SACS can offer it within their membership fee of £35 why cannot BASC? If SACS were to rename themselves so that it was not so obviously Scottish, they would have an awful lot more takers from south of the border - "British Association for Country Sports"?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 My son and I are both with BASC and for £66 each it is enough to pay. It is a pity that their "Joint Membership" only applies to spouses and not fathers and sons at the same address, we do not need two magazines either. Why should serving members of HM Forces get a discount? We are members for four main reasons: Insurance - third party insurance is essential - my eyes have just been opened to the lack of legal cover. Credibility - BASC membership is taken seriously by farmers etc. Nice logo. Source of advice - have contacted them a couple of times with questions, helpful and prompt response. Support shooting - we need credible representation at a national level. SACS, more sensibly, offer "Family Membership" which applies to "two related adults or partners living at the same address" for just £50, a saving of £82 compared to BASC. BASC is starting to look a bit top heavy with an awful lot of salaried staff and all the other costs that go with that. I fear that BASC is becoming rather too complacent and needs to be reminded that it exists for the benefit of its members. Legal expenses cover is a case in point. If SACS can offer it within their membership fee of £35 why cannot BASC? If SACS were to rename themselves so that it was not so obviously Scottish, they would have an awful lot more takers from south of the border - "British Association for Country Sports"?. Quite logical and well put - my feelings too. These are your priorities, what are those of other members? 10 to 1 most would include legal cover for incidents where their firearms are taken without good reason and to fight for their recovery, where that is clearly possible - see OP . No one is unreasonable and surely they would accept where this is not possible i.e. their criminal fault. Equally, maybe BASC should be arguing for fairness and a process of arbitration to examine the facts in these cases without starting the clock ticking on the mega costs. If you cant reasonably challenge a Chief cons decision on these issues, where e.g. the examples have explained then we cant just say - sorry its a big bill - forget it ! I am rather incensed over this as, not only is there no cover, but no alternative course for members is being talked about apparently. It may be law (Chief Cons absolute right) but its a bad law and the reason we have law is for fairness. Argue for reasonable change as well, at least both sides then get heard formally and people are supported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I have been with SACS a long while now, Ian has always been helpful with a few issues i had in the past. last year i joined NOBS only to find for a few pound i could also joint SACS . it was a tenner less but same cover plus NOBS membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 So your saying join nobs and its cheaper or is it dual membership with sacs for a few quid more? Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'm also looking at changing over from basc to sacs next renewal, unless basc include some better insurance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) well ive decided rather than BASC plus £20 for additional legal im going to go with NGO and SACS memberships and still save money whilst support two organisations and still get magazines etc for my hard earned. i do feel that BASC needs to revisit its fees and how they are allocated imo Edited September 10, 2013 by maxus77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I have been with BASC for years, just joined SACS. BASC need to up their game imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Countryside Alliance don't say legal expense cover. Figgy Best I check the paperwork again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosskingkinnaird Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Sacs very helpful with any issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) Looks like ill be joining sacs. After checking out Nobs first. Edit joined SACS family membership to include my son, sadly his BASC membership will be cancelled tomorrow, as its cheaper to do it this way and both of us are covered. Figgy Edited September 10, 2013 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBlox Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Just joined SACS with my three kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 For the price and cover offered I think I will be looking at SACS when I renew. http://www.sacs.org.uk/folder-3-insurance reeding that its looks very good,puts your mined at rest, might look into that when my renewal; comes up,with basc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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