mshadowsky Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 and how do people get an f.a.c. licence that is what the last bit there should of been but i ******* up pretty badley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Your post is unintelligible. What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 danger is getting caught with air gun over the legal limit of 12ft/lbs and not holding an FAC obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 how can you get an f.a.c licence why do you want one. how much permission have you. how old are you. have you been in any kind of trouble with the old bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 From reading your post, for you to get a FAC you will need to do some reading up first. You need a clear understanding of how a bullet is going to behave after it's left your gun before they will consider you. Have a good read of the posts on here for a few weeks, that should help you get the basics. DO NOT try to overpower your gun without a FAC, the law will kick your *** in a big way if you're caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 the law will kick your *** in a big way if you're caught and so will several members of this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 i suppose if you want a quicker pellet flight you would have 22. and a lighter pellet or 177 and a more weighty pellet to stay nice and legal how can you get an f.a.c licence. what are you rattling on about talking about???..................ALEC IS THAT YOU?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 From memory an air rifle taken over 12 ft/lbs automatically becomes a section 1 firearm. Illegal posession of a firearm carries a mandatory minimun prison sentence of 5 years. Put simply it aint worth the risk. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshadowsky Posted December 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 sorry about that my typing just trailed off there diddnt read it through. about the f.a.c licence i just wonderd how you get one because you have to own the right amount of land or sumthing dont you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Read past posts...................I fear you could be flogging a dead horse here young man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 You need reason You need good character You need no serious trouble with the fuzz You need to be of sound mental ability You need to fill out a FAC application and send it to the police You need to pay £50 for the application You need a safe to store it in You need to be 14 or over to hold a FAC You need to be 14 or over to receive the gift of a Section 1 firearm You need to be 17 or over to purchase a section 1 firearm You cannot modify a airgun to produce more than 12 ft/lbs if you dont hold a FAC (but even then I'm not sure about that) You will get arrested if caught with one without a FAC You will get a lengthy jail term You will get a hefty fine Read that: http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I overheard a conversation between a gunshop owner and the owner of a precharged pneumatic airgun. The owner of the airgun was told not to worry about the fact that when he chronoed his gun it was making 12.3Ftlb using bissely magnums. Th shop owner also said that if you use a heavy pellet in a precharged airgun you get more foot poundage And that if you use a lighter pellet in a spring gun you get more foot poundage. Shurley the action in the airgun and how the pressure is built up within it wont have a effect on how much energy it kicks out. This mans gun was 0.3Ftlb's over the limit, this is such a small amount but would the police still make him reduce the energy in his airgun or still confiscate it, after all this is such a smalll amount ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshadowsky Posted December 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 cheers i.c thats all i wanted to know i looked on the inernet and couldnt find much so i thought id ask on here but i typed it all wrong cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 ic is correct.....apart from line 4.. mikky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I overheard a conversation between a gunshop owner and the owner of a precharged pneumatic airgun.The owner of the airgun was told not to worry about the fact that when he chronoed his gun it was making 12.3Ftlb using bissely magnums. Th shop owner also said that if you use a heavy pellet in a precharged airgun you get more foot poundage And that if you use a lighter pellet in a spring gun you get more foot poundage. Shurley the action in the airgun and how the pressure is built up within it wont have a effect on how much energy it kicks out. This mans gun was 0.3Ftlb's over the limit, this is such a small amount but would the police still make him reduce the energy in his airgun or still confiscate it, after all this is such a smalll amount ? I would have thought that if you were 0.3 over the 12 limit the police wouldnt be too harsh as its more likely down to the pellet type and the gun itself. On the otherhand if your rifle is pumping out 18ft lbs that says that something has been altered to the gun to produce that sort of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 If they take the gun and chrono it they will do so first with any pellets you have there, and probably with others too - if it comes out more than 12 they have a decision to make. My general theory in life is not giving people decisions to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I overheard a conversation between a gunshop owner and the owner of a precharged pneumatic airgun. The owner of the airgun was told not to worry about the fact that when he chronoed his gun it was making 12.3Ftlb using bissely magnums. Th shop owner also said that if you use a heavy pellet in a precharged airgun you get more foot poundage And that if you use a lighter pellet in a spring gun you get more foot poundage. Shurley the action in the airgun and how the pressure is built up within it wont have a effect on how much energy it kicks out. This mans gun was 0.3Ftlb's over the limit, this is such a small amount but would the police still make him reduce the energy in his airgun or still confiscate it, after all this is such a smalll amount ? I would have thought that if you were 0.3 over the 12 limit the police wouldnt be too harsh as its more likely down to the pellet type and the gun itself. On the otherhand if your rifle is pumping out 18ft lbs that says that something has been altered to the gun to produce that sort of power. In my opinion if a gun is producing more that 12ftlbs it is illegal (unless owning an FAC), there is a legal LIMIT for a reason, police should not be forgiving, they should be enforcing law If someone said that they stole food from a shop becasue they were hungry the police would still enforce, i dont see any reason why they should forgive someone for having an over limit airgun, at the end of the day it is your fault if the rifle is over limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I overheard a conversation between a gunshop owner and the owner of a precharged pneumatic airgun. The owner of the airgun was told not to worry about the fact that when he chronoed his gun it was making 12.3Ftlb using bissely magnums. Th shop owner also said that if you use a heavy pellet in a precharged airgun you get more foot poundage And that if you use a lighter pellet in a spring gun you get more foot poundage. Shurley the action in the airgun and how the pressure is built up within it wont have a effect on how much energy it kicks out. This mans gun was 0.3Ftlb's over the limit, this is such a small amount but would the police still make him reduce the energy in his airgun or still confiscate it, after all this is such a smalll amount ? I would have thought that if you were 0.3 over the 12 limit the police wouldnt be too harsh as its more likely down to the pellet type and the gun itself. On the otherhand if your rifle is pumping out 18ft lbs that says that something has been altered to the gun to produce that sort of power. In my opinion if a gun is producing more that 12ftlbs it is illegal (unless owning an FAC), there is a legal LIMIT for a reason, police should not be forgiving, they should be enforcing law If someone said that they stole food from a shop becasue they were hungry the police would still enforce, i dont see any reason why they should forgive someone for having an over limit airgun, at the end of the day it is your fault if the rifle is over limit. I know 12ft lbs is the legal limit here but at the end of the day air weapons are manufactured to produce around that mark. if the police chronographed it and it came at 12.5 what are you going to do? there Is alot of aspects which could affect the mussle energy. Whats i was trying to point out was that if the police came upto me and chronographed my rifle and got 12.5ft/lbs that to me says that its something to do with either the gun or the pellet. yet if they had tested and i got 18. that would look like i been fiddling with a screwdriver intentially trying to get more power out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Whats i was trying to point out was that if the police came upto me and chronographed my rifle and got 12.5ft/lbs that to me says that its something to do with either the gun or the pell gun or pellet still the owners fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Whats i was trying to point out was that if the police came upto me and chronographed my rifle and got 12.5ft/lbs that to me says that its something to do with either the gun or the pell gun or pellet still the owners fault. Law is law yes, depends how your local cop see's it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Law is law yes, depends how your local cop see's it it does mate. but given the bad press guns get, which way would you think it would go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 From memory an air rifle taken over 12 ft/lbs automatically becomes a section 1 firearm.Illegal posession of a firearm carries a mandatory minimun prison sentence of 5 years. Put simply it aint worth the risk. webber If you are giving out information, try to get it right. An over 12 ft/lb air rifle is a section one firearm. Section one firearms DO NOT carry a mandatory 5 year jail sentence, however prohibited section five firearms do. to be safe, get you air rifle crono'd and ensure it is under 12 ft/lbs. You need reasonYou need good character You need no serious trouble with the fuzz You need to be of sound mental ability You need to fill out a FAC application and send it to the police You need to pay £50 for the application You need a safe to store it in You need to be 14 or over to hold a FAC You need to be 14 or over to receive the gift of a Section 1 firearm You need to be 17 or over to purchase a section 1 firearm You cannot modify a airgun to produce more than 12 ft/lbs if you dont hold a FAC (but even then I'm not sure about that) You will get arrested if caught with one without a FAC You will get a lengthy jail termYou will get a hefty fine Read that: http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/ Being caught with posession of a section one air rifle with out a FAC is not an arrestible offence. it is unlikely you will get a lengthy jail term unless you were comitting serious crime with your gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Thanks to the BASC website, I think that the following proves my point and information previously given. So,?:yes:??, if you are going to give out information or attemt to riddicule others, at least try to get it right. Offences and maximum penalties applicable to misuse of airguns under the Firearms Acts 1968 – 1997, Licensing Act 1872, Offences Against the Person Act 1861, Prevention of Crime Act 1953, Criminal Damage Act 1971, Highways Act 1980, Town Police Clauses Act 1847, and the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. Offence Maximum Penalty - imprisonment Maximum Penalty -fine Drunk in charge of a loaded firearm One month £200 Murder Life Wounding/Grievous bodily harm Life £ unlimited Threats to kill Ten years £ unlimited Offensive weapon in a public place 4 years £ unlimited Manslaughter Life £ unlimited Actual bodily harm Two years £ unlimited Common assault Ten years £ unlimited Criminal damage Ten Years £ 5,000 Having anything in his custody or control intending to use it to cause criminal damage Ten years £ 5,000 Possessing a firearm with intent to endanger life or injure property Ten years £ unlimited Possessing a firearm with intent to cause fear of unlawful violence Ten years £ unlimited Using firearm to resist arrest Life £ unlimited Prohibited person possessing firearm or ammunition Five years £ unlimited Possession of firearm with intent to commit an offence Life £ unlimited Carrying loaded firearm in a public place Seven years £ unlimited Trespassing with firearm in building/on land Seven years £ unlimited Person under seventeen acquiring firearm Six months £ 5,000 Person under 14 possessing air gun or ammunition £ 1,000 Person under 17 having air weapon in a public place £ 1,000 Person under 14 making improper use of airgun when under supervision £1,000 Adult supervisor of person under 14 making improper use of an airgun £1,000 Selling a firearm (includes airgun) to a person under 17 Six months £5,000 Supplying air weapon to person under 14 £1,000 Failure to hand over firearm or ammunition to a constable for examination £ 1,000 Discharging a firearm within fifty feet of the centre of a highway causing injury, interruption or danger £ 1,000 Discharging a firearm within fifty feet of the centre of a highway causing damage £ 1,000 Wantonly discharging firearm in a street 14 days £ 1,000 At the time of arrest for scheduled offence has in his possession a firearm or imitation without lawful object Life £ unlimited Ill-treat or cause unecessary suffering to any animal 6 months £5,000 Aggravated burglary Life Kill, injure any wild animal under Schedule 5 Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 £1,000 Supply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 you people worry to much keep you head down live an onest life and enjoy your shooting chill kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 How is having a overpowered airgun without a licence not an arrestable offence? Its a Section 1 firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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