steve0146 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Just finished my first ever attempt at making some wildfowling cartridges. 39g no 2 steel through the 10 bore. Any advice welcome. The paper is 30 inch square and shot from 45yds. Gun has fixed choke so can not change it and it was really windy this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Exactly how many pellets were in your loads? What choke is the gun fixed at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted October 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 fixed at half choke. It was full and full but was open out. I think in 39 grams of number 2, there is a around 150. ... 70 hit the paper, so 50 %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 fixed at half choke. It was full and full but was open out. I think in 39 grams of number 2, there is a around 150. ... 70 hit the paper, so 50 %. I'm not sure that pattern is really good enough for ducks or geese. It looks a bit thin on the paper. What speeds do you think the loads are running at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Thats what I was thinking. The book states 1439 fps but I dont have a chrono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 No point in testing if its windy, let alone the winds we have been getting. Wind deflection on no.2 steel at 45 yds is considerable. Try again in far better conditions and you should see a considerable improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 you want to be looking at 90/100 hits for duck and you are well short of that number I would look at a wad or powder change maybe as your gun is fixed choke there are 170 pellets in 39 grams 2# so you have lost 100 by the time you have got to 45 yards most 10g guns should do 75 to 90% . how does it pattern with lettered shot ie B# to T# and what load data are you using Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Going to try a change of wad. Tried some more shells today, and all exactly the same with 70 on paper. On randomly patterned really well but one out of ten is not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Steve are the wads preslit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 They are Multi metal preslit. Have some different ones on order now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 They are Multi metal preslit. Have some different ones on order now though. If they're pre-slit can't you wrap a bit of selotape around them to contain the shot for a moment longer like an unslit one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Those patterns look well Blown mate, : Long range, Low Velocity}: slower burning powder.. Certainly no good for ducks mate, there would be loads of wounding: Sorry. Edited October 29, 2013 by subsonicnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Is that safe?? (selotape) I wouldnt use a pattern like that. Going to try a different wad Edited October 29, 2013 by steve0146 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Is that safe?? (selotape) I wouldnt use a pattern like that. Going to try a different wad Can't see it would do any harm just to see if an uncut wad is going to help, it's only holding it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 LoL: Of course it is, silly,, When developing loads many years ago for larger size pellets thats what we used.. Just get a slower burning powder, ask where you buy it from, there are not miles between these powders, few hundred yards maybe.. Do your home work first, you just don`t shove any old powder or load down its throat, try some of the NEWER loading books.. you cannot just bang some thing out of your head into the cartridge.. Learn a little about pressures these powders produce and of course what load you are going to use.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 That pattern looks worse than the 1/4 choke pattern thrown from the right barrel of my 10. I use No.3 shot (3.25mm steel) in the 1/4 choke barrel. This will give 264 pellets in 1 3/8oz and should help to fill the gaps but a 33% pattern but will still only give 88 pellets in 30'' circle. At 40yds you could even go down to No.4 (3mm steel , 334 pellets in 1 3/8oz) and have sufficient energy for a clean kill at that range. I assume there is a reason you're using 1 3/8oz? Chamber length, proof etc? If you've got 3 1/2'' chamber and 1050 proof. No reason you can't use 1 1/2 or 1 5/8oz loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Try a bigger ****size Shot . am using my new Google machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Im using 1 3/8 as its for ducks and with the light load can keep the speeds up. This is the latest patten. Again 45yds but change of wad and powder. I shot a very high mallard last weekend and it was stone dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 That looks better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Im using 1 3/8 as its for ducks and with the light load can keep the speeds up. This is the latest patten. Again 45yds but change of wad and powder. I shot a very high mallard last weekend and it was stone dead. rsz_006_2.jpg rsz_duck.jpg Out of curiosity, did you just change the wad and powder from published data, or was this a completely different recipe? I use 1 1/2oz loads of steel at a quoted velocity of 1550fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 It was a different published recipe. I wouldn't just make my own up. I tried a few 1 1/2 loads and they were still a bit patchy. I can only get hold of a limited range of empty cases so am limited to recipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I have some Winchester factory shells in BB. I cut one open out of interest and weighed the components. It was also 1 3/8 (said it on box also!) but shot charge was same as the load Im now using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Steve, Regret delay, have been up to neck. Whereas you now seem to have it sorted (well sorted), have you seen this for info? www.fourten.org.uk and go for 'steel shot part 3' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 thanks, will check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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