HAYBURN Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 HI All Had Feo out yesterday after the usual questions, Feo..your medical condition, you have atrial fibri me...(AF) atrial fibrillation Feo..have you ever fainted or passed out me.no Feo..the reason am asking, what if that happened and you were holding a gun me.no haven't fainted or passed out Feo.. I need to take your old certificate me. here you go.... Feo.. what do you use your guns for me.clay pigeon shooting... sporting Feo..where do you shoot me .auchterhoues country sports Dundee Feo..where in Dundee, can you narrow that down, Dundee is a big place me.off the top of my head not sure Feo. when were you last their me august.... Feo..I will check it out an see what comes up she checked out my guns,cabinet,cartridges storage etc she said..... will need to contact your doctor an if She doesn't see a problem you will get your certificate in the post.... I've had AF since 1995 this is my third renewal.. Worst interview I've ever had...in to much of a hurry...think she was in for about 20 mins if that. Sure I read here I didn't have to give her my SGC Not up till February... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I may have misunderstood, but you have handed over your existing certificate, you don't have your new one but you are still in the possession of your guns? If so you need to be firmly asking for it back or for a temporary permit for your guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYBURN Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I may have misunderstood, but you have handed over your existing certificate, you don't have your new one but you are still in the possession of your guns? If so you need to be firmly asking for it back or for a temporary permit for your guns. Yes...am sure she said it was part of the process,wasn't till she was away I thought,If I need to get cartridges etc no certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Yes...am sure she said it was part of the process,wasn't till she was away I thought,If I need to get cartridges etc no certificate. Never mind carts mate, without possession of your current certificate the FEO has put you on a very sticky wicket with regards to possessing any guns at the moment - I would get on the phone to them / your shooting organisation ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 In fact she has put you in the position of breaking the law. Needs to be rectified asap. And she is a FEO?? The mind boggles. Never mind carts mate, without possession of your current certificate the FEO has put you on a very sticky wicket with regards to possessing any guns at the moment - I would get on the phone to them / your shooting organisation ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 In fact she has put you in the position of breaking the law. Needs to be rectified asap. And she is a FEO?? The mind boggles. Perhaps I should have made it more clear rather than using a euphemism - agreed. You are effectively in illegal possession of your shotguns as of yesterday when she took away your existing certificate. I am not making that statement as a criticism of you, but you need to sort it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I may have misunderstood, but you have handed over your existing certificate, you don't have your new one but you are still in the possession of your guns? If so you need to be firmly asking for it back or for a temporary permit for your guns. You are still a certificate holder until such time as the existing cert expires so you aren't in illegal possession. It causes problems in buying ammo and proving that you aren't in unlawful possession though. This is not the way in which it should happen. There is no need for the police to take your existing cert from you. J. In fact she has put you in the position of breaking the law. Needs to be rectified asap. And she is a FEO?? The mind boggles. She hasn't. It's not an offence to be in possession of firearms or ammo without the physical certificate to hand. As long as you have a valid (as in not expired) certificate then you do not break the law. J. Perhaps I should have made it more clear rather than using a euphemism - agreed. You are effectively in illegal possession of your shotguns as of yesterday when she took away your existing certificate. I am not making that statement as a criticism of you, but you need to sort it today! As per my above - he isn't. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYBURN Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 HI Jonathanl That's what I though... I will give them a call anyway... Thanks for the replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYBURN Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Just of the phone to.....GLASGOW FIREARMS & EXPLOSIVES LICENSING.. It is normal for them to take your old Sgc before it expires....you just have to tell them you need it.. my original Sgc will be sent in the post but it must be sent back before you get your new one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny12w Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 yup i just got a letter from Hampshire police about my renewal for SGC. told me to send them the original certificate in with the renewal application & advised me that I just wouldn't be able to buy shells until i got it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 not known them to take sgc, un till its run out,i would get that sorted, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 yup i just got a letter from Hampshire police about my renewal for SGC. told me to send them the original certificate in with the renewal application & advised me that I just wouldn't be able to buy shells until i got it back. From the current HO guide on the subject: 10.51 If a certificate expires before a renewed certificate has been issued and the certificate holder has behaved in a reasonable manner returning the forms in good time, a temporary permit (Section 7 Permit) should be issued by default. With regard to renewal, the applicant may submit a photocopy of their certificate and retain the expiring certificate in order to be able to buy ammunition. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmonster Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 It's always been common practice here to send in your existing certificates along with renewal application forms, I believe you used to get something stating the receipt for the renewal costs was proof of having a cert but can't remember if I got one last time I renewed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 It doesn't matter if it's common practice or your FLD asks for the return of your existing on reapplying, you don't have to hand your current certificate back. Once you have received your new SGC/FAC you can then return it or (correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's correct) call the FLD to tell them you have destroyed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmonster Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I wasn't saying you had to or the right or wrongs of doing so, just stating the usual practice in South Yorkshire or at least in my own experience. Dead easy to stock up on ammo before handing it in and renewals aren't usually that long winded so no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 How does having an expired one make any difference? You can keep old passports.... Seems nuts to send it back before expires especially as now all on computer I could almost understand it in the old paper ledger days..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I am with merseyside,they have allways took my old certificate after the interview,its still valid so dont see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYBURN Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Just of the phone to.....GLASGOW FIREARMS & EXPLOSIVES LICENSING.. It is normal for them to take your old Sgc before it expires....you just have to tell them you need it.. my original Sgc will be sent in the post but it must be sent back before you get your new one.... HI My original Sgc arrived in the post today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I am with merseyside,they have allways took my old certificate after the interview,its still valid so dont see the problem. Unless you want to buy ammo or a new gun! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Merkel Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Took this of the Met Police website today, there is more but I just copied that which is relevant to the shotgun application process. APPLICATION FOR THE GRANT OR RENEWAL OF A FIREARM AND/OR SHOTGUN CERTIFICATE 1.You must not withhold information about any conviction. This includes motoring offences, binding overs, formal written warnings, cautions and convictions in and outside Great Britain, and (by virtue of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exceptions) Order 1975) convictions which are spent under the 1974 Act. A conditional discharge and an absolute discharge both count as convictions for this purpose. Details of parking offences and fixed penalty notices do not need to be declared. 2.Applications must be accompanied by four identical photographs of you and sized 45mm x 35mm. The photographs must be full face and without a hat and must be a current true likeness. Ordinary passport style photographs are suitable for this purpose. A computer generated likeness is acceptable if it is full face, against a plain background and printed on good quality gloss or matt paper. If you are applying for both a firearm and a shotgun certificate you need only submit four photographs. 3.One of the photographs must be signed in ink, on the back by you, the applicant. Each of the referees must endorse a further separate photograph, in ink with her/his signature and the date the likeness was compared. 4.Unless otherwise advised by the police, you should post or take the completed form together with the fee and photographs to the police firearms licensing department. In the case of an application for renewal of a shotgun certificate, the current certificate or a signed and dated recent copy should be included with the application. 5.Personal health and medical declaration. You must disclose any physical or mental health condition that may affect your ability to safely possess and use a firearm (including a shotgun). This includes for example epilepsy, stroke, stress related illness, depression, alcoholism, heart disease, cancer etc. If in doubt, consult your GP. 6.Where an application is successful a letter will be sent to your GP and where there is good reason a medical report may be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutty Boots Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Always been asked to put my existing cert. in with the renewal forms. That's with Northern Constabulary, just remember to stock up on carts first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 yup i just got a letter from Hampshire police about my renewal for SGC. told me to send them the original certificate in with the renewal application & advised me that I just wouldn't be able to buy shells until i got it back. Strange, the letter I received from Winchester last week told me a signed photocopy of the original was fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm in Hampshire too. The letter from Winchester said a photocopy was fine. In fact I sent my renewal off on the Tuesday, and I had it back signed on the following Monday, so was slightly shocked how quickly it was renewed! Cheers Hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I'm in Hampshire too. The letter from Winchester said a photocopy was fine. In fact I sent my renewal off on the Tuesday, and I had it back signed on the following Monday, so was slightly shocked how quickly it was renewed! Cheers Hayden Astounding, the covering letter said to allow ten weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I know! I nearly had a heart attack when the wife said I'd received a letter from the police less than a week after I'd sent off the form! H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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