Tim Kelly Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Blah blah blah. Having an extra line of defence cannot be a bad thing, no matter how perfect your gun safety is otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Blah blah blah. Having an extra line of defence cannot be a bad thing, no matter how perfect your gun safety is otherwise. Defence against what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 An accidental discharge I would think. Not much else it could stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Unloaded guns don't accidentally discharge, loaded ones can, normally they are negligent discharges not accidental (ie someone pulled the trigger when they didn't mean to) an engaged safety would prevent this, but if the situation was not safe why was someone pulling the trigger, if they didn't mean to pull the trigger why was the gun loaded? If the reality is you load the gun then disengage the safety why bother with the safety Edited December 17, 2013 by HDAV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Safety catches don't make guns safe Never rely on a safety catch to give you any level of safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Seriously? Have you ever been rough shooting? If you have your gun unloaded all the time, you're not going to shoot much! Muzzle awareness is a crucial skill for anyone using a gun and good gun handling is vitally important. However, things happen, they're not intended, but they do. I'd be much happier shooting next to someone who somehow accidentally pulled the trigger and nothing happened, than someone who accidentally pulled the trigger and a shot was discharged in a safe direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Seriously? Have you ever been rough shooting? If you have your gun unloaded all the time, you're not going to shoot much! Muzzle awareness is a crucial skill for anyone using a gun and good gun handling is vitally important. However, things happen, they're not intended, but they do. I'd be much happier shooting next to someone who somehow accidentally pulled the trigger and nothing happened, than someone who accidentally pulled the trigger and a shot was discharged in a safe direction. Yeah I do more than my fair share of rough shooting, I've also been witness to a ND which went onto the ground no more than two feet from where my wife was sat, another ND as a gun on a peg closed his auto safe lamber o/u kicking up debris a few feet from the next peg, never ever trust a safety catch is the simple answer, if you don't rely on it then it can not let you down, you are kidding yourself if you think it adds an extra level of safety. Edited December 17, 2013 by Paul223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
affinity121 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 My browning 725 sporter doesn't have a automatic safety however it did come with the part to fit it. Not that I have ever thought about fitting it and I would never do. I do a fair bit of rough shooting and I cannot see the issue of walking with the gun broken steadying yourself when a bird breaks, closing the gun and turning off the safety before shooting the bird. I have seen people walk around with o/u's closed relying on the safety catch and that's not for me. If you are !missing birds because you think it takes to long to close the action and disengage the safety then I think you need to improve your shooting. I admit I'm a over cautious shooter however I rather be like that than cause an accident. Its just not worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I read through all the above comments I can't believe the amount of ******** people are spewing out... Honestly if a gun comes with a auto safety, then leave it there. You will be used to it within the week, so what's the haste?. It's single purpose IS as a second line against an accidental discharge for the specific purpose these auto safe guns are designed for. No one has ever said it is to be used as a complete fail safe method of holding the gun. OBVIOUSLY an unloaded gun is the only safe gun. It's there to protect the user in the event of an unexpected fall/incident whilst walking with the gun loaded. Clay guns don't have them because they are ONLY ever loaded when on a purpose designed peg and pointing In a safe direction on a firm base. Game guns come with them as generally you are standing/ walking in a field/forest with the gun loaded in anticipation of a bird lifting. The ignorance to the purpose of the guns feature makes me cringe. Now, you could say that closing the gun once a bird lifts is a better option... But I'm sorry you haven't shot many woodcock with that method. And if you have, well... I'm delighted to meet you Mr Digweed. If there was no purpose for having them the manufacturers wouldn't fit them. So unless you are turning a game gun into a sporting clay gun why would you waste your money having it removed for such a trivial thing as flicking it off...? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I read through all the above comments I can't believe the amount of ******** people are spewing out... Honestly if a gun comes with a auto safety, then leave it there. You will be used to it within the week, so what's the haste?. It's single purpose IS as a second line against an accidental discharge for the specific purpose these auto safe guns are designed for. No one has ever said it is to be used as a complete fail safe method of holding the gun. OBVIOUSLY an unloaded gun is the only safe gun. It's there to protect the user in the event of an unexpected fall/incident whilst walking with the gun loaded. Clay guns don't have them because they are ONLY ever loaded when on a purpose designed peg and pointing In a safe direction on a firm base. Game guns come with them as generally you are standing/ walking in a field/forest with the gun loaded in anticipation of a bird lifting. The ignorance to the purpose of the guns feature makes me cringe. Now, you could say that closing the gun once a bird lifts is a better option... But I'm sorry you haven't shot many woodcock with that method. And if you have, well... I'm delighted to meet you Mr Digweed. If there was no purpose for having them the manufacturers wouldn't fit them. So unless you are turning a game gun into a sporting clay gun why would you waste your money having it removed for such a trivial thing as flicking it off...? Cheers Its very simple, its called choice! Semis don't have them and pumps don't have them and not all o/u and sbs have them, and the vast majority of Rifles don't have them. So, if someone doesn't want one so be it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Its very simple, its called choice! Semis don't have them and pumps don't have them and not all o/u and sbs have them, and the vast majority of Rifles don't have them. So, if someone doesn't want one so be it! Exactly, couldn't agree more! I just don't like to see people getting a verbal hammering for choosing one or the other. Whoever asked in the frost place wanted a honest answer. Not a ear bashing for asking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted December 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) All booked in for sat at local gunsmith thanks for all your help Edited December 18, 2013 by Dominicrobed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I read through all the above comments I can't believe the amount of ******** people are spewing out... Honestly if a gun comes with a auto safety, then leave it there. You will be used to it within the week, so what's the haste?. It's single purpose IS as a second line against an accidental discharge for the specific purpose these auto safe guns are designed for. No one has ever said it is to be used as a complete fail safe method of holding the gun. OBVIOUSLY an unloaded gun is the only safe gun. It's there to protect the user in the event of an unexpected fall/incident whilst walking with the gun loaded. Clay guns don't have them because they are ONLY ever loaded when on a purpose designed peg and pointing In a safe direction on a firm base. Game guns come with them as generally you are standing/ walking in a field/forest with the gun loaded in anticipation of a bird lifting. The ignorance to the purpose of the guns feature makes me cringe. Now, you could say that closing the gun once a bird lifts is a better option... But I'm sorry you haven't shot many woodcock with that method. And if you have, well... I'm delighted to meet you Mr Digweed. If there was no purpose for having them the manufacturers wouldn't fit them. So unless you are turning a game gun into a sporting clay gun why would you waste your money having it removed for such a trivial thing as flicking it off...? Cheers Thank goodness, there is someone else who is happy to wear a seatbelt when driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Thank goodness, there is someone else who is happy to wear a seatbelt when driving. Your seatbelt analogy is pants and bears no relationship to auto safety or not on guns, there is even an argument that those with auto safety get complacent thinking they are safe, where manual or no safety actually take care! So, what would you do if you ever got a semi or pump, or were out with someone using one, have the thing totally re-engineered in an attempt to fit one, or in the field with a sporting model (very common) and not fitted? I just don't get peoples attitude here, if you want auto safety fine, if you don't, fine. Edited December 19, 2013 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Your seatbelt analogy is pants and bears no relationship to auto safety or not on guns, there is even an argument that those with auto safety get complacent thinking they are safe, where manual or no safety actually take care! So, what would you do if you ever got a semi or pump, or were out with someone using one, have the thing totally re-engineered in an attempt to fit one, or in the field with a sporting model (very common) and not fitted? I just don't get peoples attitude here, if you want auto safety fine, if you don't, fine. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Blah blah blah. Having an extra line of defence cannot be a bad thing, no matter how perfect your gun safety is otherwise. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 jesus!... a guy asks a simple question with a simple answer but you guys cant help yourselves and pump out the same old opinions on a topic done to death.... WAY too keen! Ground hog day anyone? People are different and like different things.... get used to it as it'll never change.... thank god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hi Just wondering is it a quick easy job for a gunsmith to disingauge an auto safety in a o/u ? Sorry if this is a silly question Very easy. My gunsmith did it without asking. Safety still works, but is just not automatic any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 The above post puts this one to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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