Pigeon sniper Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I know this has been done to death and I know the law is that anyone other than a prohibited person can carry cartridges but not buy them, what I am asking is does anyone know where to find the exact section in the legislation that refers to this? We've just had a massive debate at college about this and it's was me against everyone else including lecturers Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 when my sgc was revoked they gave me back my cartridges to do as i wish with them minus the 250 black golds that went missing while in local police stations apparently Amory locked away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 A shotgun certificate is not required to have cartridges in your possession. ... In any difficulty you should contact your local Firearms Licensing Office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 You will find it in the Firearms Act. Remember though that the act states what is unlawful rather than what is lawful. Therefore by omission it is lawful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 You need a sgc to buy them not possess, unless your a flunky and then a letter from the boss and his sgc is good enough. As they are bit sec 1 they make no mention of prohibited persons. That's my understanding, might be wrong so have a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 You need a sgc to buy them not possess, unless your a flunky and then a letter from the boss and his sgc is good enough. As they are bit sec 1 they make no mention of prohibited persons. That's my understanding, might be wrong so have a read. My wife objects to you calling her a flunky !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) You need a sgc to buy them not possess, NOpe other wise how could you pay £25 for a have a go session at a clay ground/game fair/country show and getting a box of 25 carts? nothing to stop you buying them and walking off. Most rFD's want to see a cert to let you walk out the shop but it isn't in the legislation http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27 Edited December 19, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon sniper Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Thank you, I knew I was right I was struggling to find the relevant legislation in the firearms act to prove this but I've managed now. Thanks everyone Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 With due respect to the previous post, the law states you must produce/show your SGC when buying cartridges. See the 2002 Home Office Guidelines to the Police. The law changed in 1988. If Pigeon Sniper wants, you can google this publication & download it from the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 With due respect to the previous post, the law states you must produce/show your SGC when buying cartridges. See the 2002 Home Office Guidelines to the Police. The law changed in 1988. If Pigeon Sniper wants, you can google this publication & download it from the web. That publication, remembering it's guidance on the law not a statement of law, has been superseded. The latest version is available here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Age does come into play if under 15 iirc and under 18 cannot buy carts even if they have SGC, once again no SGC required to purchase cartridges seen it many times done it many times.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 That publication, remembering it's guidance on the law not a statement of law, has been superseded. The latest version is available here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012 2.50 A shotgun certificate is not required to possess or acquire shotgun cartridges containing five or more shot, none of which exceeds .36 inch in diameter. All ordinary shot cartridges are covered by this description. However, a shotgun certificate (or firearm certificate authorising possession of a section 1 shotgun) is normally required to purchase shotgun cartridges. All single bulleted ammunition, for example solid slug, spherical ball or projectiles for birdscaring equipment, is subject to the requirement for a firearm certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Lets not split hairs on the subject, tis the season and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 An RFD doesn't have to sell you anything, regardless of your licence. The likelihood of them selling you cartridges without one is pretty much zero, despite what the law may say. My local RFD has a sign on the door saying pretty much that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) An RFD doesn't have to sell you anything, regardless of your licence. The likelihood of them selling you cartridges without one is pretty much zero, despite what the law may say. My local RFD has a sign on the door saying pretty much thatThat is His personal choice . It is NOT law . Thats almost like me selling Television . And saying sorry tv license holder's only ...... thats my choice nothing more ! all the lad wanted was clarification on the law as it stands . Edited December 20, 2013 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 That is His personal choice . It is NOT law . Thats almost like me selling Television . And saying sorry tv license holder's only ...... thats my choice nothing more ! all the lad wanted was clarification on the law as it stands . Well said fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 That is His personal choice . It is NOT law . Which is the exact point I was trying to make. I thought the OP's question had been answered already, I was just adding to the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Spandit. the lad asked one question , what is the law on blah blah blah , the correct answer has and was given on the subject , so yeah its sorted , I personally don't feel that " other " in this case your RFD's personal opinion has place or substance , opinion's are as bad as assumptions , and when it concerning points of law will only end it tears . a wise man once said ....... assumption is the Mother of ALL F##k ups ;-) p.s please don't think I was just being a Di#k head with you , I have every respect for yourself , your comments and as a fellow shooter , Edited December 20, 2013 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Pigeon sniper are you at an agri college? Point the lecturers at the legislation and guidance notes and get them to tell you where it states a certificate is required to purchase or posses shotgun cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Just point them to section 2.50 of the guidance I printed above - where it states the case quite clearly. To me, this seems like an anomaly in the law, and understandable that nobody believes you when you tell them it is not unlawful to have shotgun cartridges without a SGC - but in fact, that is the case. IMHO a bit absurd, that Joe Bloggs could lawfully have thousands of shotgun cartridges at home, without an SGC. Edited December 20, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 IMHO a bit absurd, that Joe Bloggs could lawfully have thousands of shotgun cartridges at home, without an SGC. May be but aren't all of the components available to load a cartridge without a cert? Powder, primer, wad, case, shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 May be but aren't all of the components available to load a cartridge without a cert? Powder, primer, wad, case, shot? Is powder sold without a cert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Is powder sold without a cert? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Yes Didn't realise that. I find that quite odd, and somewhat worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Didn't realise that. I find that quite odd, and somewhat worrying. Petrol is as dangerous maybe they should restrict that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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