kent Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Is it bash the plod month ? How would we " not tolerate " ? The actions of one reflect on many is often the case, yet it is the duty of many to put things right! It is here that the cops are failing, Selection is wrong (the military that were brought in to train SO19 made this complaint yet were told to just "get on with it"). Its time to stop wetting the publics back and telling them its raining. Firstly sack any that fail and I very much include the seniors who give the orders in that as much if not more than the guy who pulls the trigger , secondly train all police in firearms duty and then pick the best don't ask for volunteers - it encourages the wrong sort from the get go. The perception is sacking a poor teacher or a bad doctor might be a good idea, locking up a squaddy who acts wrongly but yet is under far greater pressure than coppers ever face is also ok. BUT to prosecute a copper and lock them up is such a massive taboo, unless he lies about a politician then its "hang him out to dry" How tell me is it better to shoot a blind old guy with a white stick in the back or order the mistaken execution of a suspected terrorist than lie about someone being called a pleb? Truth is firearms is voluntary in the police and its known that many (often real good coppers) won't do it (indeed I know a few of these some ex-forces and some shoot recreationally) and some are unsuitable. Ok clean slate, loose the fast track promotion go back to all going through all the ranks and they join on the understanding of firearms duty if requested from above is part of the job - no more "I want to do it" I am not anti police I am ANTI BAD POLICE and ANTI BAD SENIOR MANAGEMENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 The actions of one reflect on many is often the case, yet it is the duty of many to put things right! It is here that the cops are failing, Selection is wrong (the military that were brought in to train SO19 made this complaint yet were told to just "get on with it"). Its time to stop wetting the publics back and telling them its raining. Firstly sack any that fail and I very much include the seniors who give the orders in that as much if not more than the guy who pulls the trigger , secondly train all police in firearms duty and then pick the best don't ask for volunteers - it encourages the wrong sort from the get go. The perception is sacking a poor teacher or a bad doctor might be a good idea, locking up a squaddy who acts wrongly but yet is under far greater pressure than coppers ever face is also ok. BUT to prosecute a copper and lock them up is such a massive taboo, unless he lies about a politician then its "hang him out to dry" How tell me is it better to shoot a blind old guy with a white stick in the back or order the mistaken execution of a suspected terrorist than lie about someone being called a pleb? Truth is firearms is voluntary in the police and its known that many (often real good coppers) won't do it (indeed I know a few of these some ex-forces and some shoot recreationally) and some are unsuitable. Ok clean slate, loose the fast track promotion go back to all going through all the ranks and they join on the understanding of firearms duty if requested from above is part of the job - no more "I want to do it" I am not anti police I am ANTI BAD POLICE and ANTI BAD SENIOR MANAGEMENT +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 The thing that I find hard to understand is why the police seem to think that they have the rite to push people to the ground and jump on top of them looking for guns or knives this action may be alright if the person is behaving badly but if they are just normal people and not being aggressive. I find it hard to understand after all they are the ones wearing all of the protective clothing stab vests etc not us and is not risking being hurt part of there job that they get well paid to do and end up with a good pension as well. Having said that I am not knocking the police as in my part of the world it is very quit and to be honest I have not had much to do with them and when I have they have treated me well I am mainly going by what I have seen on TV or in the papers. And of course what we see in the media is always right............YEAH. ? I can not even go for a news paper without the dread of 'being jumped upon' by any passing Police Officer, who in fact is paying 11 1/2% of his wonderful wages to pay for his good pension. You could ask yourself WHY they are wearing all of that protective clothing, could it be that they may just NEED it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Common sense doesn't seem to be part of their training. The moment the word gun is used there seems to be only one response. As for tasering the blind guy with his white stick, its lucky he didn't have a labrador with him they would probably have tasered it as well. I have being shooting here for 30 years and have had police called on numerous occasions by people hearing gunfire etc. But have never seen that type of response from the police. And the police here had a lot more reason to be concerned about their safety and the publics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 The thing that I find hard to understand is why the police seem to think that they have the rite to push people to the ground and jump on top of them looking for guns or knives this action may be alright if the person is behaving badly but if they are just normal people and not being aggressive. I find it hard to understand after all they are the ones wearing all of the protective clothing stab vests etc not us and is not risking being hurt part of there job that they get well paid to do and end up with a good pension as well. Having said that I am not knocking the police as in my part of the world it is very quit and to be honest I have not had much to do with them and when I have they have treated me well I am mainly going by what I have seen on TV or in the papers. And of course what we see in the media is always right............YEAH. ? I can not even go for a news paper without the dread of 'being jumped upon' by any passing Police Officer, who in fact is paying 11 1/2% of his wonderful wages to pay for his good pension. You could ask yourself WHY they are wearing all of that protective clothing, could it be that they may just NEED it ? If you are going to say we are not permitted to comment about things that we have not seen with our own eyes then we are not going to have much to talk about at all we all now that the media are not great at telling things the way that they really are so all that we can do is get our information from as many different places as we can ie newspapers TV not just the BBC then there is the inter web only then can we make up our minds who we think has got it correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Common sense doesn't seem to be part of their training. The moment the word gun is used there seems to be only one response. As for tasering the blind guy with his white stick, its lucky he didn't have a labrador with him they would probably have tasered it as well. I have being shooting here for 30 years and have had police called on numerous occasions by people hearing gunfire etc. But have never seen that type of response from the police. And the police here had a lot more reason to be concerned about their safety and the publics. One would like to think that in your part of the world the police are much more accustomed with firearms and there use and do not panic at the mere thought that someone could just could have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 And of course what we see in the media is always right............YEAH. ? I can not even go for a news paper without the dread of 'being jumped upon' by any passing Police Officer, who in fact is paying 11 1/2% of his wonderful wages to pay for his good pension. You could ask yourself WHY they are wearing all of that protective clothing, could it be that they may just NEED it ? and I could retort with the fact that whilst you pay 11% into your pension, joe public puts in over 2 billion a year to top it up! oh and as for they might need all that protection, a bit of reality is needed here , plod is not even in the top 20 dangerous jobs list. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Simple then, let's just do away with them and save everyone a fortune !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) ( Quote ). One would like to think that in your part of the world the police are much more accustomed with firearms and there use and do not panic at the mere thought that someone could just could have one.( Quote ). Possibly, assessing the situation and deciding on an appropriate response doesn't seem to be part of their training. The only response seems to be full on no matter what the situation. Edited January 12, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 There's obviously more to it isn't there. Maybe the travellers couldn't get what they wanted via the pub so just caused trouble for the chap and his wife. Why anyone would take the word of a traveller is beyond me the police did with me took the travellers word that put me in hospital by hitting me with a birck said it was me he acted in self defense as i sposed to threatened him with a shotgun and shot at him that why he hit me repetitively with a brick for they took his word i lost my sgc and had to go to court to get it back this same guys has stolen off the whole street down my way have been threatening people smashed out peoples windows alsorts of stuff and every time he gets away with it and the home owners are to blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Cheers Mung, an informative read. Opened my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12boreblue Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I remember reading a story some years ago, a parcel delivery driver in Devon driving down a lane saw a man in a field with a gun, called the police, blue lights, lots of armed police in cars, and a helicopter with an armed policmen. They called to the man to drop his gun and lie face down, he was shooting pigeons with permission. Police did not call landowner when alerted to check if shooting was going on, neither did they check the area when confronting the man. If they had they might of noticed another man sitting below a tree with his hide set up. He was the person who whrote the story, he claimed he had his gun trained on the armed policemen aiming his gun out of the hovering helicopter on his mate, he claimed that had his mate been shot he would have shot at the helicopter? I have also heard of people calling police when being burgled and saying the burglar is armed to get them out quicker. Personally I don't think the Police should have a 'shoot to kill' policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byjovecarruthers Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 and I could retort with the fact that whilst you pay 11% into your pension, joe public puts in over 2 billion a year to top it up! oh and as for they might need all that protection, a bit of reality is needed here , plod is not even in the top 20 dangerous jobs list. KW This is correct. Statistically farming, Deep Sea Fishing, Oil Rig work, Scaffolding and Building are far more dangerous occupations. Incidently they are also statisically far more dangerous than serving in the Armed Forces on Operations. However, I think it would be fair to say that the risks faced by Police officers are somewhat unpredictable. I'm sure wearing body armour and carrying a baton is a right royal pain in the proverbial until it is needed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-25211711 I believe in this case the Officer will loose the use of her hand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Nicola_Hughes_and_Fiona_Bone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sharon_Beshenivsky Still, who cares. They are all faceless minions of the state and rotten to the core every one of them ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Common sense doesn't seem to be part of their training. The moment the word gun is used there seems to be only one response. As for tasering the blind guy with his white stick, its lucky he didn't have a labrador with him they would probably have tasered it as well. I have being shooting here for 30 years and have had police called on numerous occasions by people hearing gunfire etc. But have never seen that type of response from the police. And the police here had a lot more reason to be concerned about their safety and the publics. Your right he is lucky ! If it had been a table leg in his hand he'd be dead already ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Still, who cares. They are all faceless minions of the state and rotten to the core every one of them ........ Even me, with my mistrust of all things authoritarian know this not to be true, but tarring a minority group with the same brush of sweeping generalisations is something we shooters know all about. I recall a cartoon reflecting the 'typical' shooter doing the rounds following Dunblane with much emphasis on rambo types, camo' and bandoleros. Any reasoned response was drowned amid the outrage, which while being understandable, did no one any favours in the long run. Our Police, for whatever reason, do not have a very good reputation within the publics eye as regards 'armed response'. They either aren't in the place they're needed (through no fault of their own) or often get it wrong when they are. There are plenty of examples of either scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 The actions of one reflect on many is often the case, yet it is the duty of many to put things right! It is here that the cops are failing, Selection is wrong (the military that were brought in to train SO19 made this complaint yet were told to just "get on with it"). Interested in the military involvement training SO19 , how did that come about and what was the objective , was it a one off for the Met or more wide spread ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Interested in the military involvement training SO19 , how did that come about and what was the objective , was it a one off for the Met or more wide spread ? Thanks Its quite hard to comment more fully, but I guess its fair to say they were the best people for the job initially and all said and done work for the same boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Common sense doesn't seem to be part of their training. The moment the word gun is used there seems to be only one response. As for tasering the blind guy with his white stick, its lucky he didn't have a labrador with him they would probably have tasered it as well. I have being shooting here for 30 years and have had police called on numerous occasions by people hearing gunfire etc. But have never seen that type of response from the police. And the police here had a lot more reason to be concerned about their safety and the publics. Some of the reason is that your guys know from the minute they join that there is a very clear risk to run and live with that decision. Its a little like a soldier excepting the real danger of combat and realising he needs to function as per his training to get the job done and except the risk as fate. A lot of police shootings are fear overcoming their training, a scared dog is the most likely biter and the hardest to predict! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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