kent Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm hmr don't agree with the expensive to feed bit, they are far more accurate so less missed,noise on two accasions I have shot 4 rabbits from a group it seems past 80 yrds the noise is not a problem, and because each shot is a hit and kill they just roll over. they are good for fox at 100yrds (shot placement)I'm in Lincolnshire and have vermim on my ticket which I class fox as. they seem to tick all the boxes before moving up to centrefire, How do you figure more accurate? inherent accuracy is difficult to compare and they are certainly more expensive to feed via percentages a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I would say a larger % of people could put a 17hmr in a 1" circle than could a 22 at 100-120 metres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I would say a larger % of people could put a 17hmr in a 1" circle than could a 22 at 100-120 metres. That's because of trajectory not inherent accuracy of the two calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 ok then 17hmr is flatter and easier to shoot as a first rifle ( this is only my opinion ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 ok then 17hmr is flatter and easier to shoot as a first rifle ( this is only my opinion ) Not being critical - after all, what you say is true. When I was lad a first rifle is the one that taught you to shoot - mainly to understand trajectory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Totally agree, with a 22 you learn distance, trajectory and field craft Edited February 10, 2014 by telf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 ok then 17hmr is flatter and easier to shoot as a first rifle ( this is only my opinion ) Myself I take the view that such trajectory bias it makes things seem easier than they are. Windage at 100 yards practically always needs accounting for and with chronoed velocities tending to be lower than the claimed 2550 fps (mine did 2450 no matter what I fed it and I am high up) The HMR is Knocking around 3 1/2" FV 10mph, .22 subs run 4" so not so far apart are they now? (wind will generally be the biggest correction and its hard to call 5mph gusts at 100yds). So it tends to lead to disappointment until wind is learnt in the hands of a first time user. My experience with new rifle shooters is very, very few can do 5 shot 1" groups (1 MOA) from the get go with any reliability and when they can its mostly 1- 2" away from were it should be (that's only failing to account for a full value wind of say 3-6 mph - darn hard to call) you cant see winds as light as 3mph often as not and might not even feel them at the firing point. Trajectory compensation is of small concern by comparison. I hear what your saying but perhaps pulling the range in some and learning both wind and drop with the cheaper quieter .22 is better still and then trying a HMR later on? I remember how many rounds I used to fire in the early days just practicing and a HMR could have emptied my pockets faster than a Lady of the night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirgoldalot Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 give me a shout chris you can try all three FAC air....22lr and Hmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirgoldalot Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Thanks chaps, that's helped to confirm my initial thoughts. When I get round to it, I'll see about applying for .17hmr and .22lr, as that will keep my options open later on. For now though, me thinks the one to go for is the .22lr time for some paperwork... apple for both chris .... give me a call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubble Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 apple for both chris .... give me a call nice offer, well done that man! neill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) I shoot loads of foxes with a .22lr and a HMR and a WMR. Also remember polls show you little, after all people voted for the Labour party for years.... I also have 12ft lb and FAC air, as well as a selection of centrefires and shotguns.... Foxes can be trained and baited, few really need to take shots at them in the next county, and rimfires are first rate tools in the right circumstances for fox, and can, be a BETTER and more appropriate tool for the job than a centrefire. Hunting any animal is not about getting a cannon, it's about knowing what you are doing and using the most appropriate tools! Too many make daft blanket statements that rimfires are no use for fox and you need centrefires...BS. Tell these 4, HMR 17g V-Max, shot close to just over 100 yards, 4 shots, 4 fox! I do not recommend a .22lr out at 130 yards for anything live, so if that is a pre-requisite the answer is HMR by default, if you can live with a bit less range the .22lr. As others have said, get what you can on the FAC grant, then you can decide in time, ask for both/all3 or more...and don't forget moderators. I run FAC air as well because I need to, I have odd jobs that crop up and need it, but I suspect for most a .22lr with the assortment of ammo available for it will be fine. FAC air is expensive to buy new and needs air and has a poor resale return, if you are keen to go this route look at the used market! Edited February 11, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 'Also remember polls show you little, after all people voted for the Labour party for years' True, which is why I asked for people to put reasons why! I was hoping you'd pipe up at some point Dekers. If I was to give myself the option of changing ammo, would that affect how I apply for the slot? I must admit, I don't think FAC-Air is the way to go. I already have a PCP that fills to 230 bar and another would just put far too much use out of a fill on a bottle, even a 7l 300 bar! I'd have to be shelling out on filling the bottle, I might as well not have bothered and jsut buy rimfire ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) 'Also remember polls show you little, after all people voted for the Labour party for years' True, which is why I asked for people to put reasons why! I was hoping you'd pipe up at some point Dekers. If I was to give myself the option of changing ammo, would that affect how I apply for the slot? I must admit, I don't think FAC-Air is the way to go. I already have a PCP that fills to 230 bar and another would just put far too much use out of a fill on a bottle, even a 7l 300 bar! I'd have to be shelling out on filling the bottle, I might as well not have bothered and jsut buy rimfire ammo. Once you have an ammo allocation that includes expanding you can in principle buy anything you like of that chambering. Was that what you were getting at? Edited February 11, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Once you have an ammo allocation that includes expanding you can in principle buy anything you like of that chambering. Was that what you were getting at? yup. that'll do nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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