TDRsniper Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Hi all I have a flock of Canada's on one of my perms, on average there are 70-100 birds and have taken a few for the table over the last couple of Christmases but wondered if they can be shot year round cause my landowner thinks they can. Any thoughts or advice welcome. TDR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 They can be with good reason. Obviously it falls under crop protection or disease risk but you must show other means to try and get rid of them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRsniper Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks for that......good to know. TDR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Have a look at the general licenses. This is a list of all bird species which are a legal to shoot all year round and the reasons why. http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/licences/generallicences.aspx SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy.plinker Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The landowner can get an 'extended' license maybe into april? but I think theres strict guidelines,a max of two named guns with certs and the police must know your whereabouts while shooting and they need to know your mobile numbers, I heard this from a farmer up here with a greylag problem but might be different down england way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Having had all winter to shoot your canadas ,why, o why do you want to shoot them just when they are starting to breed. Some people make me wonder at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Having had all winter to shoot your canadas ,why, o why do you want to shoot them just when they are starting to breed. Some people make me wonder at times. +1.... Just show the farmer that you try to scare them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRsniper Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Having had all winter to shoot your canadas ,why, o why do you want to shoot them just when they are starting to breed. Some people make me wonder at times. The question was asked out of curiosity and a desire to know more....I hoped that people who have more experience in matters of Canada geese would provide me with that knowledge and thanks to those that did. My mistake was to assume that posting the question in the right section on the right forum would not bring a critical and unhelpful comment like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The question was asked out of curiosity and a desire to know more....I hoped that people who have more experience in matters of Canada geese would provide me with that knowledge and thanks to those that did. My mistake was to assume that posting the question in the right section on the right forum would not bring a critical and unhelpful comment like that! Actually Anser2, did give you some helpfull information, the breed bit, hence, like many other on here, we don't like to shoot them in this season, conservation of our quarry it's the way forward, unless these canadas are really causing some very heavy damage to the farm crops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reabrook Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) The question was asked out of curiosity and a desire to know more....I hoped that people who have more experience in matters of Canada geese would provide me with that knowledge and thanks to those that did. My mistake was to assume that posting the question in the right section on the right forum would not bring a critical and unhelpful comment like that! I'd say that your mistake was to ask it in the wrong section. It's not a Wildfowling question and genuine Wildfowlers have been in dispute with those wishing to shoot Canada's out of season since they were placed on the GL. Also most of the information offered above in regard to the GL is wrong! Edited February 19, 2014 by Reabrook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 i tend to agree with Reabrook - there's some misleading information above re the GL (please read the actual GL) plus you will get a heated response from Wildfowlers when it comes to Canada's / Pest control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Also most of the information offered above in regard to the GL is wrong! Can't you elaborate please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 the landowner does not need any kind of license in England - the GL covers this. you do not need to prove other methods of removal first (ie scaring / proofing) - same goes for Parakeets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks Beardo. I was under the impression that other means had to be tried. It's the same reasons we shoot pigeons then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Canada Geese and Parakeets (2 (i) ( b ) are not in the same category as Woodpigeon (2 (i) ( a )) 3. In respect to the species listed at paragraph 2(i)(a) above, this licence can only be relied on in circumstances where the authorised person is satisfied that appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem such as scaring and proofing are either ineffective or impracticable (see note o). Condition 3 of this licence – which requires users to satisfy themselves that other appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem are either ineffective or impracticable - only applies to bird species that Natural England considers to be native to Great Britain (these are listed at paragraph 2(i)(a)); it does not apply to non-native species (listed at paragraphs 2(i)( b ). People may use non-lethal methods, such as scaring and proofing, for non-natives and are encouraged to do so where this is the best solution to a problem, but these methods do not need to be shown to be ineffective or impracticable before this licence can be relied upon. But as said - this is an emotive subject when it comes to Wildfowlers - what we're talking about above is pest control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 They can be shot all year round. You do not need prove other methods have failed as they're classed as non native. You DO need to use non toxic shot if using a shotgun. Single lead projectiles (bullets) are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) The question was asked out of curiosity and a desire to know more....I hoped that people who have more experience in matters of Canada geese would provide me with that knowledge and thanks to those that did. My mistake was to assume that posting the question in the right section on the right forum would not bring a critical and unhelpful comment like that! Canadas pop up in large numbers and can damage crops and cause a health hazard, at any time of the year. Although the flocks may be 20 - 100+ you don't have to cull them all, they're pretty savvy. I find the best control is to snipe them on the ground with a rifle that makes a bang. Only need to do one or two and the rest take the hint and move on. Just make sure you have avian or ALQ on your ticket. I have walked up to a flock and taken three with my semi auto shotgun, the rest take off and find another patch which is safer. I find ground shooting is more of a deterant than flight shooting. Flight shooting they seem to come back quicker. IMO this is an ideal time to move them on as they are becoming territorial but they will not have young yet. Ideal time to move them on. Remember this is not wildfowling sport this is vermin control at this time of the year. Edited February 20, 2014 by Fisheruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Crumbs, don't things get complicated sometimes. The answer to the question is yes! Reading the GL would be useful just the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Funny how as the season ends the question comes up about shooting canadas, happens every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doriboy Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Simple answer is yes they can, and so can Egyptians. Should you though? Make up your own mind Edited February 20, 2014 by Doriboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Simple answer is yes they can, and so can Egyptians. Should you though? No. No and don't shoot rabbits, pigeons or squirrels either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Simple answer is yes they can, and so can Egyptians. Should you though? No. Egyptian geese are not on the GL ( I think they used to be ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Egyptian geese are not on the GL ( I think they used to be ) http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl06_tcm6-24151.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I stand corrected, didn't read the other one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doriboy Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 No and don't shoot rabbits, pigeons or squirrels either! Edited for your benefit. Hope you're happy now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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