Laird Lugton Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114 http://www.businessinsider.com/did-missing-plane-fly-for-hours-after-deadly-fire-2014-3#ixzz2wQIvFaIq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 To precis nine pages of guesswork, supposition and a soupcon of professional knowledge; **** happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 To precis nine pages of guesswork, supposition and a soupcon of professional knowledge; **** happens. would you have expected anything less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) anyone find anything odd about the pic of the two iranian passengers? they both have the same feet that dont seem to fit if its been faked its been badly done so my moneys on diago garcia Edited March 24, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 The bottom half of the photos are identical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Indeed think its supposed to be feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Paper jam on the printer? anyone find anything odd about the pic of the two iranian passengers? they both have the same feet that dont seem to fit if its been faked its been badly done so my moneys on diago garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Finding this flotsam will not be easy even with well equipped search aircraft. Only three hours on station before having to return to land and it is one hell of a large piece of ocean. Going to take a long time unless they get real lucky. Unless the flotsam is dumped to cover up accidental mistake two weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Chinese have found some 'suspicious' floating square objects? I suppose we will have to wait for HMS Echo to sort it all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 If this latest report from the Chinese is correct then 'things' should start to happen fairly fast. We now have an accurate position. (Satnav). Only thing that is odd is that it has been reported by the Chinese media - Not the government. However, if correct then we should have pictures soon then the first ship on scene should be able to roughly identify whether it is aircraft wreckage or not. It could be the big break they have been needing. Plotting the rough position of the crash/splash site with reference to drift calculations then the search for the ping from the black boxes comes next. They only have a few days battery power left so there is not much time left for that. It took two years to locate and recover the main parts of the Air France aircraft in the Atlantic - so don't get too excited yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Confirmed as lost at sea. A sad but possibly inevitable conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 We still have no idea why though. Whatever happened to the deleted simulations ? The pilot was v experienced, Grandalf is best placed to know whether a fault could have eliminated the beacon and caused the plane to head in a direction completely unrelated to the course it should have taken. It seems v improbable. I am tempted to believe that either the pilot and or the First Officer went to kill themselves and took 239 innocents with them to the deepest ocean where they would not be found, or we are into conspiracy theories about 1 or more passengers who were picked up as the others died. Its hard to imagine anyone would or could be that callous. RIP to those who died and a wish for some sort of peace now or eventually for the relatives. How can they give up hoping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I am still suspicious of this whole "new data" which shows it disappeared Does this data really take three weeks to be processed? Is this "new data" code for "failed negotiations"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I am still suspicious of this whole "new data" which shows it disappeared Does this data really take three weeks to be processed? Is this "new data" code for "failed negotiations"? if you had actually heard the chap who interpreted the data talking about how they did it you would realise why it took so long, clever bit of detective work by the brits,dont let facts cloud your conspiracy theories. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 if you had actually heard the chap who interpreted the data talking about how they did it you would realise why it took so long, clever bit of detective work by the brits,dont let facts cloud your conspiracy theories. KW Very clever indeed: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10719304/How-British-satellite-company-Inmarsat-tracked-down-MH370.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 if you had actually heard the chap who interpreted the data talking about how they did it you would realise why it took so long, clever bit of detective work by the brits,dont let facts cloud your conspiracy theories. KW I've been out all day so not heard anything, more perused the main news stories. Will investigate further. Regardless of this and the explanation of the time delay I am still not sure we have all the relevant information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 If this wreckage turns out to be the missing aircraft then the mystery only deepens. We should know tomorrow when the first ships get on station. 'They' seem pretty sure. I cannot think of anything that could happen to the aircraft to explain all the circumstances that we have been made aware of without human intervention. Whether that intervention was by the crew or other unknown persons I couldn't possibly say. The 'black boxes' should provide some of the answers but their recovery is another set of problems all together. The technology used by the satellite operating company has never been used before because it has never been needed. I haven't seen that report, only heard what their representative said on the TV tonight. He mentioned doppler effect. They knew the arc, north or south, because the 'ping' was only received by one satellite at the limit of its working area. I presume they worked out the correct direction by the change in the wavelength of the 'ping' (this is the doppler effect) and also deduced that it stayed at cruising altitude. It didn't give a position, just a direction. Then by calculating the fuel on board they can work out a very rough position to start the search. This really is cutting edge detective work in a technical world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I believe they have tracked it right, and it's at the bottom of the sea, but I can't think of why. If it was pilot suicide, why fly for hours into a deserted area, no notes, demands etc. not trying to make a point. Again if hijacked why fly into that area. All very strange. Why go that way into nothing. Hijackers want to be seen. They could have put the aircraft on autopilot to hold heading and alt, and gassed everyone, de pressurized so everyone died and it turned into a ghost plane. Iv never flown a 777 so not aware of its systems. I'm guessing its ran out of fuel at the end. Fingers x'd they find the recorders and they can reveal what happened. But I still think we will never know the full story on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 My guess - something went wrong, then hypoxia and plane flew in a straight line until it ran out of fuel. As to what went wrong, or why the pilot made the course change he did or why no mayday - unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Primary radar didn't have it going in a straight line. It made a few turns before setting course south, so a catastrophic event is unlikely at cruise. It looks self inflicted by someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I wonder if the someone wanted to die on worldwide media and then have no identity, save that passed to him by his rescuers who would have gone unnoticed in that area. I'd be checking shipping. A sad, cruel world either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 My theory Co-pilot had a falling out with Pilot and killed him or vice versa and decided to ditch plane in sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 My theory Co-pilot had a falling out with Pilot and killed him or vice versa and decided to ditch plane in sea. thats some falling out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 My theory Co-pilot had a falling out with Pilot and killed him or vice versa and decided to ditch plane in sea.Cant see that - it would have been a moments anger surely and whoever survived would want to live and 239 people to die just for an argument ? Also, why the simulator. There is no doubt someone planned all this the answer is in the why? Maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 thats some falling out It happens when the Captain picks the favourite crew meal and the FO gets grumpy because the Chicken Korma has been taken. No respect these FO's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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