Fieldsports Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hello.I know this topic has been bashed to bits over the years but time has moved on.We all know the price of cartridges today 2014.So to cut a story short I have bought a really cheap "Lee Loader 2"I have no Idea of the price of powder, shot, wads and primers.Or how to mix the best of the bunch to produce a 32g 6 shot or 5.5 shot cartridge as of yet.I can see this loader will only do 1 at a time but I am not bothered about that...I like sitting for ages getting pleasure out of what I am doing.My plan is to use some of my spent cases once only.My questions are....Is it any cheaper ?Are they any better ?Am I wasting my time ?Can you tell me the legislation on home loading ?Can you tell me a supplier for all the components that's cheap but reliable ?___________________________I use about 100 to 200 per outing on pigeons paying £180 per 1000 at the moment.Once again am I wasting my time or is it worth doing.Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Powder is about £36 per kg lead shot is £3.30 per kg primers £27 per 1000 wads plastic £18 per 1000 1000 cartridges @ 30 gram = 3 kg of shot = £99 lead £27 primers £18 wads £51 powder Total £195 per 1000 Now make your own shot and the price is realistic it will be £135 per 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fieldsports Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Powder is about £36 per kg lead shot is £3.30 per kg primers £27 per 1000 wads plastic £18 per 1000 1000 cartridges @ 30 gram = 3 kg of shot = £99 lead £27 primers £18 wads £51 powder Total £195 per 1000 Now make your own shot and the price is realistic it will be £135 per 1000 WOW...That's not so cheap is it ? Maybe better just to buy them and keep the Lee Loader for "odd ball"cartridges I might need. Thanks for that info, I appreciate it. Neither wonder I got a Loading press so cheap....the seller has obviously gained the knowledge you have just told me. Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 The value in a Lee loadall is for special loads such as non toxic or as I use mine to make low powered loads for my kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fieldsports Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 The value in a Lee loadall is for special loads such as non toxic or as I use mine to make low powered loads for my kids. Cheers mate ! I own it now so I will keep it for those special loads if I need them I guess. Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fieldsports Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Any one got a link to a cheap reliable UK supplier for Powder, Shot, wads and primers ?Just so I can make something out of this press I have bought.Thanks againPS: What I should be asking is anyone got Powder, Shot, wads and primers for sale cheap....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Henry Kranks supply what you need, but wanted ads may be worth a try stuff turns up now and then in shooting mag classifieds (usually to far away to be worth travelling for) I was lucky that the kit came with powder and wads etc all I have bought is shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fieldsports Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Henry Kranks supply what you need, but wanted ads may be worth a try stuff turns up now and then in shooting mag classifieds (usually to far away to be worth travelling for) I was lucky that the kit came with powder and wads etc all I have bought is shot. I honestly do appreciate your reply. I will give it a go in wanted ads and see if anything pops up. Thanks again Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Hello. I know this topic has been bashed to bits over the years but time has moved on. We all know the price of cartridges today 2014. So to cut a story short I have bought a really cheap "Lee Loader 2" I have no Idea of the price of powder, shot, wads and primers. Or how to mix the best of the bunch to produce a 32g 6 shot or 5.5 shot cartridge as of yet. I can see this loader will only do 1 at a time but I am not bothered about that... I like sitting for ages getting pleasure out of what I am doing. My plan is to use some of my spent cases once only. My questions are.... Is it any cheaper ? Are they any better ? Am I wasting my time ? Can you tell me the legislation on home loading ? Can you tell me a supplier for all the components that's cheap but reliable ? ___________________________ I use about 100 to 200 per outing on pigeons paying £180 per 1000 at the moment. Once again am I wasting my time or is it worth doing. Thanks Steve Really? You must shoot more pigeons than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Really? You must shoot more pigeons than most. Or he could be a bad shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Don't use Henry Kranks they are too expensive have a look at clay&game reloaders in hull they are good but still not cheap also look at www.####.co.uk/reloading.htm www.siarm.com/index.php?language=en. You have to add 21% Italian vat and shipping costs to your order www.shotgunreloading.co.uk/ John Morrish ar shotgun reloading will put you right just tell him what you want to make The only way to load cheaply is to buy in bulk I buy 10000 primers ,20000 wads, powder by the 10kg and make my own lead shot some times components can be found cheap In the past I have found primers at £18 per 1000 powder at £20 a kg then when you make your own shot it's really cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Powder is about £36 per kg lead shot is £3.30 per kg primers £27 per 1000 wads plastic £18 per 1000 1000 cartridges @ 30 gram = 3 kg of shot = £99 lead £27 primers £18 wads £51 powder Total £195 per 1000 Now make your own shot and the price is realistic it will be £135 per 1000 +1 thats a real - realistic pricing. no messing. what homeloaders can do is reload shotsizes that have a premium on them. ie, 6-5-4+ shot. what i would advise you to do is load up some 28gram #6 or 5, using vectan AS, with a BP24 plaswad, thats a staple and standard cartridge that i think everyone has used at some point. i reload oddball shells, some people here could furnish you with the data, but if i recolect... its about 21grain AS, 12-70mm, bp z24 plaswad, 28 grams #5 or #6 lead. its easy to reload, a staple and a certain manufacturer already produces this load. (clay shotsizes) the 28 grams saves alittle, the 21grain AS isnt extremely expensive per shell, but its cheapest value for money. / shot and /1000. its not cheaper, maybe you can swing 180/k (28gram -1300fps) you will feel pride when you hit stuff. they are not better. they are as good as. i would always go local, cheap is always warrented. i buy from folkestone engineering supplies. mainly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fieldsports Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Really? You must shoot more pigeons than most. Either that or I know how to miss good style. I am going off yesterday I fired about 125 shots. I should of said on a decent day that's what I fire. On sat just gone I only fired 2 shots. Edited March 25, 2014 by Fieldsports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 you have PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I guess it all depends on what you want out of reloading! Cheap? For run of the mill clay rounds with new lead maybe NOT. But for Non tox or for big game loads then yes it can be! Have you bought any BB carts recently? Or look at Buckshot prices! Making your own rounds (inc the shot) can save a small fortune! I use recycled shot for clay carts and get my primers for about £23 per 1000 from Siarm. Wads for around £15 per 1000, Shot is £50, powder about £50 so I can do clay carts for around £138 per thousand If you have, or have access to a dripper! That is a money saver too. If you can produce your own shot! You can do it at a hugely reduced cost. The beauty of home loading, is you can customise your load to best suit you. You can also get more in the way of concistency! More over if you hand load! The initial outlay for certain equipment can be high! But in the end, if your loading buck or BB etc it will pay for it's self in the savings to make! Solid slug is another area you will make savings! also some smaller guage cartridges! I love the feeling I get when I hit my target, and think to myself! I made those cartridges! It gives you a huge buzz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 28g or 24g of #5 shot with a H12 wad and AS powder is a good hard hitting pigeon load i was impressing a pal the other day shooting crows and on a few he would say diggweed would be pleased with that shot stopping them dead in the air. The buzz that you get when your killing things or busting clays with your hand rolled shells is ace i started with a lee and loaded some good shells on it and had alot of fun with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I guess it all depends on what you want out of reloading! Cheap? For run of the mill clay rounds with new lead maybe NOT. But for Non tox or for big game loads then yes it can be! Have you bought any BB carts recently? Or look at Buckshot prices! Making your own rounds (inc the shot) can save a small fortune! I use recycled shot for clay carts and get my primers for about £23 per 1000 from Siarm. Wads for around £15 per 1000, Shot is £50, powder about £50 so I can do clay carts for around £138 per thousand If you have, or have access to a dripper! That is a money saver too. If you can produce your own shot! You can do it at a hugely reduced cost. The beauty of home loading, is you can customise your load to best suit you. You can also get more in the way of concistency! More over if you hand load! The initial outlay for certain equipment can be high! But in the end, if your loading buck or BB etc it will pay for it's self in the savings to make! Solid slug is another area you will make savings! also some smaller guage cartridges! I love the feeling I get when I hit my target, and think to myself! I made those cartridges! It gives you a huge buzz! Martin be careful these have to be on put on FAC ticket... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Powder is about £36 per kg lead shot is £3.30 per kg primers £27 per 1000 wads plastic £18 per 1000 1000 cartridges @ 30 gram = 3 kg of shot = £99 lead £27 primers £18 wads £51 powder Total £195 per 1000 Now make your own shot and the price is realistic it will be £135 per 1000 1000 cartridges @ 30 gram = 30kg of shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 1000 cartridges @ 30 gram = 30kg of shot Yes my mistake but the price was correct Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Agreed, I thought that £33 per kg seemed a little pricy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Martin be careful these have to be on put on FAC ticket... Thanks Mike! I already know it requires an FAC, I was just stating that with the current Slug prices! Reloading your own would save a LOT of money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) Thanks Mike! I already know it requires an FAC, I was just stating that with the current Slug prices! Reloading your own would save a LOT of money! ...or aside from the price, trying to find a stockists for slug, or buckshot, or some other exotic ammo if you forget you're low on stocks and have a shoot the next day. Make my slug for next to zero cost. Got lucky with some shotshell press buys, so have enough powder, primers & wads to see.me out...though some powder may be used in the 357 & 45 too. Get lead to cast my own slug and buckshot from the backstop at the range. Cheaper reloading? Saves money? You bet! Edited March 26, 2014 by saddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 28g or 24g of #5 shot with a H12 wad and AS powder is a good hard hitting pigeon load i was impressing a pal the other day shooting crows and on a few he would say diggweed would be pleased with that shot stopping them dead in the air. The buzz that you get when your killing things or busting clays with your hand rolled shells is ace i started with a lee and loaded some good shells on it and had alot of fun with it that is where reloaders get value ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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