Crash72 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Sending in my FAC to purchase a Wolverine 303 for a new permission. Excited is an understatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Just think twice about a .22 lr instead, it makes more practical sense and a lot cheaper. £350 will get you a good one and £50 for 500 subsonic hollow points, no charging and very quiet also dead easy to maintain over decades of use and abuse in the field. Availability of guns and ammo is off the shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weihrauch hw100 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 yea the wolverine is nice looking but as kent said for the money ud be better off with a .22 lr. i looked at buying the wolverine .303 but way to costly atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) I've got a slot for FAC i've yet to fill. But i'm looking at something with a bigger shot count like the Wolverine B Type doing 30ft lbs. To me this version is far more practical then the .303 version as i'll get about 50/55 good shots from one fill which is ample for most hunting trips. Where as you'll literally will have to carrt you charge tank around with you to replenish every few shots when you run low on air. I'm not trying to tell you how to spend your money, if you want the .303 version then by all means get one if you can. But have think about it a bit more as its a lot of money to spend on a gun, only to find after a few weeks that it doesn't really meet your needs in the field. As above has already stated, perhaps .22 rim would be a better way to go as their a lot cheaper, more powerfull and cheap to feed. I got a .22 rim myself and although getting a FAC airgun will be useful and have its rightfull place in my cabinet. I wont be with out my rimmy just for practicality sake. But with out repeating myself the final decision is yours, i just hope you dont regret it to much if you decide to buy the gun and a bit later on the you find you made the wrong choice ATB DD Edited March 30, 2014 by deputy dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 IMHO the 303 was never intended as a practical gun-more of a PR exercise to launch the new action. There is nothing that puts it above the .22lr in real terms, the r/f is ultra efficient and cheap as well as being quieter and far more versatile but as already said-its your money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manton Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I never could see any logic in the 303 wolverine concept. Expensive gun , few shots to a refill, reviewers claim they are noisy with a curved trejectory to the heavy pellets : all to get 100ft pounds which is the equivalent of a relatively cheep ,handy .22lr which can be fitted with a moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyshooter Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 The logic to owning a wolverine .303 is that they are great fun,, yes i own one i ,also own several rimfires , 22lr & .17 hmr i own a wolverine because i can simple as that, its great fun to shoot, and devastates prey. atb brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 "I own one because I can?" not 100% sure of the logic behind the comment? I don't own one but I could have dozens if I so wished-but I don't-nuff said now cos I'm running out of air (now that reminds me of a gun I've heard of ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyshooter Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Basically Bruno, i applied for the Benjamin rogue .357 cal but was told i could have the .303 wolverine but not the .357 rogue, so i got the wolverine it has grown on me , i just enjoy shooting it, next on my shopping list is a 9mm Evanix at 150 fpe , regds brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash72 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for all the info folks. I understand what your saying in regards to rimfires but I have decided on FAC air. If not a Wolverine 303 it will be another air rifle probably Daystate in the 40ft-60ft pound range. My main quarry is pigeons, squirrels and corvids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for all the info folks. I understand what your saying in regards to rimfires but I have decided on FAC air. If not a Wolverine 303 it will be another air rifle probably Daystate in the 40ft-60ft pound range. My main quarry is pigeons, squirrels and corvids. If you shooting up into trees stick to a 30ft lb .22 FAC air. in .22. Once you get to 60 ft lb you are into special pellets and fall out ranges and safety considerations not dis similar to the .22 lr anyhow (40ft lb .22 lr CCI quiets are getting a good rep at present). Many struggle to make the break from the airguns they are used to towards the more practical rimfires though. Did you know that a .22 LR can fire different ammo from around 24 ft lb up to around 150 ft lb? Even shot shells! Not all of it is as accurate or useful as the next in all guns but isn't that the same tale with airguns and different pellet /power settings. At least go out and try a RF before you go and blow near a grand of your hard earned on a heavy lump of marketing and gimmickry. I retain a 30 ft lb mk1 rapid for use on my ticket (a friend has it now) it can do only an odd job better than a rf or a std 12ft lb airgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 IMHO you'll be better getting the B type doing about 30/ft lbs. Shot count is better and using a 16 grain pellet etc you'll get a nice flat tragectory when shooting. I know a few people with FAC air now and their bumping rabbits off out to 75/80 yrds with those sort of power levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 IMO with FAC AIR your okay to 40flb, after that go .22lr. I love my FAC AIR and chose it over .22lr as its .22 @ 30ftlb, but If I was wanting the extra power of the 303 @ 100ftlb then I would just go .22lr and buy a CZ with SAK mod and get a laminate stock and barrel chop and put some nice glass on top. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash72 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Some great info folks and lots to think about before pressing the purchase button. As most of my shooting is tree shooting for pigeons, corvids and tree rats I suppose the Wolverine 303 is not the best option. What I have gathered via the forum and friends is FAC air in the 30ft -40ftlb range will be better suited for this. The shooting range I'm looking at is between 50-100 yards max. Any recommendations on a .22 in this power range with a max budget of £1000 not including glass though if I can get away with something in the £800 range even better. Daystate is my first option but would love to know your thoughts and recommendations. Air Arms? What rifles shoot 40ftlb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 It's a gimmick gun in my opinion.I'm not saying it isn't a work of art and an amazing feat of engineering, but in a practical situation it's utterly pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Sounds like you are doing very simlar work / shooting to me. I didnt need a large shot count so went for a Daystate Huntsman, for the larger shot count I would go Air Ranger or Air Wolf in .22 @ 30FTLB varient. A .22 running at 28/30ftlb on 16/18Gr pellets will put all air rifle quarry down real hard and effective (bunnys hate it), you could go for 40tflb but IMO it offers little benifit for the extra air used. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash72 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Sounds good Matt. What is the actual difference (technical specs) between 30ftlb and 40ftlb? Does anyone know? There has to be some benefit to the extra ftlb's? Also, Daystate just release the Wolverine HP (high power) which looks real nice and gives you 15-20 shots at 60 ftlb's. There must be a huge difference between 30/40 and 60ftlb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 I've got fac air @40ftlb, works well with bisley mags- lighter pellets it doesn't like, if I was going to do it again , I wouldn't be so concerned about the power- would look at something 28 ftlb , and use lighted pellets. But to be honest since getting it I've barely used it, most shooting with hmr and the 22lr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 I don't know what your land is like, but using FAC rifles up into trees would make me feel uneasy. I seem to remember that a child was killed recently by a 22LR bullet that someone had shot into a tree half a mile away, who knows what a 303 air pellet would do, not as good ballistically but still a big lump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Sounds good Matt. What is the actual difference (technical specs) between 30ftlb and 40ftlb? Does anyone know? There has to be some benefit to the extra ftlb's? Also, Daystate just release the Wolverine HP (high power) which looks real nice and gives you 15-20 shots at 60 ftlb's. There must be a huge difference between 30/40 and 60ftlb? Because of the power at 70 yards the pellet is passing right through quarry so it makes little difference ! I recon 30ftlb is the most popular and for a good reason ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 100 yards with FAC air running @30/40ft/lb and using a 16/18 gr pellet-that's some shot when you consider that most .22lr users would think twice before taking the shot-tricky enough with the Rimmy but with less than half the power and a lighter projectile??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Who said 100 yards, I said 70! I only shoot to 60 may 65 but plenty of others are pushing FAC air out further than 70yards ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Some great info folks and lots to think about before pressing the purchase button. As most of my shooting is tree shooting for pigeons, corvids and tree rats I suppose the Wolverine 303 is not the best option. What I have gathered via the forum and friends is FAC air in the 30ft -40ftlb range will be better suited for this. The shooting range I'm looking at is between 50-100 yards max. Any recommendations on a .22 in this power range with a max budget of £1000 not including glass though if I can get away with something in the £800 range even better. Daystate is my first option but would love to know your thoughts and recommendations. Air Arms? What rifles shoot 40ftlb? your shooting at 50_100 yards up into trees then your a brave man a tree rat 100 yards away could easily move buy the time your pellet gets to it just my opinion though colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Sounds good Matt. What is the actual difference (technical specs) between 30ftlb and 40ftlb? Does anyone know? There has to be some benefit to the extra ftlb's? Also, Daystate just release the Wolverine HP (high power) which looks real nice and gives you 15-20 shots at 60 ftlb's. There must be a huge difference between 30/40 and 60ftlb? Somewhere between 30-40 ft lb they get pellet fussy. Your perhaps overplaying the real life effective range of FAC air with 100 yds etc. Skirted pellets are about as bad as it gets on wind etc. . Unfortunatly there is a heap of rubbish spoken on effective ranges on all airguns fac or not with what is still low power (30-40 ft lb) you need spot on shot placement and with 100yard windages running into a foot or more at times............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash72 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 You got that right Matt. Here is what VerminHunter is doing with a sub 12ftlb gun. 70+ yards for FAC air not a problem. Also, depends on your ability. A friend in the US with a 40ftlb air rifle is hitting crows at 100 yards stone dead. Long Range Sub 12ftlb http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=URBijZH4NH8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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