anser2 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) A friend had the same reply from BASC , so I suspect its a standard reply. having said that it is full of holes and questions. Below is my comments to my friend who complained to BASC. There a few points that need questioning. What has greylag control to do with the games shooters and gamekeepers committee? Greylag are a major quarry for wildfowlers not game shooters or gamekeepers. They said the measure is to cut red tape , I suspect that should be to save money as I have already suggested in the forum. They quote 349 licences to destroy 90,000 + eggs , I suspect the real number of eggs destroyed is much lower than that. That’s 259 eggs per licence . They also quote 457 licences to destroy 15647 geese again a over estimate. I know of one reserve where a licence was granted to shoot 50 greylag, they have shot less than 20. Just because a licence is issued for a certain number that does not mean the number is acheaved. But these stats bulls up the numbers to suggest a higher cull would do no harm to the overall population. BASC says that more canada geese are being killed on the foreshore , well in Norfolk that is not true. The last winter saw a big reduction in canadas using club shooting on the forshore and inland in my county. BASC quote “The arguments against adding wildfowl to general licences are emotive arguments. Wildlife management should be objective and evidence based.” They seem to have lost sight of wildfowling ethics and morals.True wildlife management has to be evidence based , but it’s a sport rich in romance and that should not be forgotten. Wildfowlers have a deep respect their quarry. They seem to be pointing to the interests of the whole membership rather than BASCs founders. Edited April 27, 2014 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 They have also lost sight of who was mainly responsible for re introduction of Greys into England ...an organisation called WAGBI...!! many will be turning in their graves,if money saving is the real reason for these changes what does this have to do with BASC there has to be an agenda or deal of some description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherwayup Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I cannot see this subject listed amongst the Presentations from the BASC 2014 Wildfowling Conference? Anyone know if it was raised by any attending clubs or discussed at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 out of interest, do any of the wild fowlers object to canada geese being rifle shot if a season were introduced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I think that as a traditional Wildfowler shooting Wildfowl I would most definitely object. As someone asked or contracted to carry out crop protection the answer is then no as it makes no difference because the object is to kill the birds and then It is not and should not be classed as sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I most certantly not use a rifle on geese no matter what the reason. If anyine has a problem with geese damaging crops there far better methods of controling the problem than shooting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 In the good old days crop protection was done by a few young boys (one of them often me) with bags of stones and drums. It worked perfectly and we got a sixpence at the end of a very long day. A win win situation for everyone including the birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Ben, copy and paste it into the reply box on here. That should work. What the hell are BASC thinking of? More political knob sucking?? Anser2 has it nailed I guess. What is more frustrating is I got an email from BASC yesterday explaining there view and the PW system wont allow me to attach it so you can read it. Will work on it later when I have more time. Ben Edited April 28, 2014 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Gentlemen - money talks. All wildfowlers and clubs should now be telling BASC that if they continue in this vain they will no longer join and support BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Works up to the point PW website tells you that type of insert is not allowed. Ben, copy and paste it into the reply box on here. That should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Gentlemen - money talks. All wildfowlers and clubs should now be telling BASC that if they continue in this vain they will no longer join and support BASC. If a club takes a loan from the wildlife habitat fund it is stiched into BASC, a plan perhaps to get more clubs buying land? Unfortunatly the CA have said the same, I am thinking if this carries on then it might be time for a new Association - OR as previously said remove the ones that choose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The fowling clubs have got to get involved in this. They control several hundreds of BASC memberships. That is why I asked if they had been consulted - No reply given so I presume they were not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) BASC it being very silent on this subject despite being asked to comment. I am glad someone has bought up the subject about membership and fees. There a lot of very good things about BASC but on this point they are wrong. I would not go as far as to advise setting up a new organisation ,but perhaps we could with hold BASC membership fees. I suspect the only we wll get any reaction from them is to hit them in the pocket. There are some 7000 club wildfowlers paying BASC some £390,000 so thats a fair bit of clout. Its true wewould lose insurance cover , but I am sure clubs can get around this for little cost. There are a lot of cheap shooting insurances out there. I think with holding BACC membership via club subs is the only way we are going to get a reaction and a change of mind. BASC management must be daft if they cant see the damage this is doing to a sizable section of their memberships opinion. I have always been a very strong supporter of BASC , but after the canada goose disaster and now this greylag scandle they no longer have my support. Listen to your membership BASC or you may lose a sizable section of if. Edited April 28, 2014 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 David of BASC where are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barls2-9-12 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Really don't understand the need for greys to be put on GL. When in certain parts of the uk they are not even present. instead of killing them why Don't they start a relocation programme and reintroduce them to parts of the uk where they don't have a stronghold. Surely this would be benificial all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I am here Gandalf David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I am here Gandalf David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 David can you defend BASCs position without repeating the standard reply which seems to be comming out of marford Mill that other staff seem to be quoting that is so full of holes that it beggars belief it could have come from an organisation that is suposed to work for wildfowling not against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Please listen BASC you have dropped a major clanger here, Can you as an association loose the revenue let alone the support and PR wildfowling brings with it? There are plenty of very angry fowlers out there. Do the right thing and admit your mistake and fix it before its too late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Good evening, thank you for the questions. Anser, can you specify the 'holes that beggar belief' please? kent , could you clarify the 'clanger' Of course we want to protect wildfowling, just like we want to protect all forms of shooting, protect our quarry populations and at the same time ensure farmers have the opportunity to react to protect their crops. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) David BASC i would be grateful if you could answer how supporting adding Greylags to the general license ,reducing them in effect to vermin is helping shooting.And what it is doing for conservation .Bearing in mind you represent a shooting and conservation organisation. I have been a member of BASC for many years and i cannot even begin to understand what BASC is doing .I stated weeks ago that BASC was on the verge of a major PR disaster and looking at the recent press i dont think i was wrong. Edited April 29, 2014 by holloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 BASC will do everything within its power to promote and protect the sport of wildfowling. It will encourage and facilitate entry to the sport, support and extend the club structure and represent the sport at all levels. BASC will furthermore oppose at all levels any restriction being placed upon wildfowling that is not, in the opinion of both the Council and its Wildfowling Liaison Committee, capable of being shown by clear evidence to be necessary for the future of wildfowling in the UK and the wildfowl and wildlife habitat on which wildfowling depends. Graylag Canada's and mallard last time I looked we're wildfowl and I would say we're necessary for the future of wildfowling in the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 SACS .... thats the way to express your concerns .... Some on PW have blind belief in BASC and spit their dummy out if other organisation are even spoken of ... everything in life is money motivated. Dont pay in towards an organisation that doesn't parrallel you beliefs ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Unless there is a turn around on this, I shall not re-join BASC, and although I am new to a syndicate this year, I shall also be passing this thread around the members and shoot captain to see if they are willing to stop the syndicate membership too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Good evening, thank you for the questions. Anser, can you specify the 'holes that beggar belief' please? kent , could you clarify the 'clanger' Of course we want to protect wildfowling, just like we want to protect all forms of shooting, protect our quarry populations and at the same time ensure farmers have the opportunity to react to protect their crops. David Its not too hard to get a special licence and its localised in its assessment of need, scaring works prior. Clanger? you want to be a fly on the wall at some AGMs clubs are talking leaving as an individual member frankly I should its a no brainer and I joined at about 13 yrs old ! This should have been consulted and if no turnaround things will go clang its just a case of how loud Unless there is a turn around on this, I shall not re-join BASC, and although I am new to a syndicate this year, I shall also be passing this thread around the members and shoot captain to see if they are willing to stop the syndicate membership too. You see, how many will disaprear- these are core members, come on guys we need you and its not going to be easy finding work round Marford Mill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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