staffyspen Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Hi all, Know someone who is having trouble with a rogue Fox killing chicken in garden, I've watched this and suggested the same but they are worried about the legal side How to shoot a fox in your garden: Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 as long as the round doesn't leave his premises wots the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Open ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffyspen Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I said exactly the same but got slated, open ticket, safe shooting practices, what wrong!! Said as it isn't a listed calibre for Fox it's inhumane, same person puts a pitcher on them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 surely as in the film a .22 at close range, shooting into the ground couldn't be safer. I have a .22 round that breaks into 3 pieces on impact, this would make a chest shot feasible as each piece creates its own wound channel. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I said exactly the same but got slated, open ticket, safe shooting practices, what wrong!! Said as it isn't a listed calibre for Fox it's inhumane, same person puts a pitcher on them!! There is nothing that says 22LR is not a suitable round for foxing. THe police guidance states that : .22 Rimfires are generally considered as having insufficient muzzle energy to be used against foxes in most circumstances. However, these could be suitable for use at short range by experienced persons, and may be permitted in certain situations such as around farm buildings or paddocks. It is for the operator to ensure that the quarry species are shot at the appropriate range with the appropriate ammunition to achieve a humane kill. Combination shotgun/rifles should have the rifled barrel in a similar calibre. Expanding ammunition should be authorised for shooting foxes (page 106, 13.25) In addition, Page 120 (note 2) states that : Foxes may be shot using .22RF but only at short range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) People have been effectively shooting foxes at close range with 22LR for decades.If you have an open ticket and it's done with a little common sense and discretion I can't see any issue.Edit: Just watched the video, they don't get any deader than that, I noticed the bullet passed through though, be careful of that if it's in an urban area. Edited April 29, 2014 by Muddy Funker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffyspen Posted April 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Thanks guys! Yes, did notice the bullet pass through and hit the ground. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 The only people who ever raise an issue are those that have no experience. I have done this many a time with all my rimfires, the .22lr and subs is 100% capable in circumstances as shown. I'm off tonight to do exactly the same on another garden fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'm inclined to agree with Dekers on this one! As long as the .22LR is used at "sensible" range so as to offer a quick and humane dispatch thenI can se no issue. The only thing to take into consideration is how your FAC is worded i.e. If is specifically mentions a calibre for shooting foxes with or if there is no mention of fox at all on your ticket. The BASC have stated that they would defend any of their members who were taken to court for shooting foxes with a .22LR as they class foxes as "vermin" but I don't know if they have ever been "taken to task" on that! I would have no problem what so ever with using my .22LR with sub-sonic ammunition on a fox as long as it was within a reasonable range and offered a safe shot! Just out of interest, and I have to admit that I am not sure either way in the "guidelines" posted by robbiep (Post number 6) how would anyone decide or even define who is classed as an "experienced person"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'd imagine an 'experienced person' would probably be viewed as post-renewed FAC, so over 5 yrs experience. That seems to be the guideline that the Police have for automatically opening up a FAC, if it hasn't been requested previously, and I also believe that words to that extent are in the police guidance, but I'm not going to wade through that lot again just to check. However, it really is an absolute minefield. Nothing really concrete written down. I view 22LR and fox as a sub-50 yard combination myself. I suppose you could take foxes out to 100 yards or so with a fast 22LR, but that's for better shots than me. I'll punch paper out to that distance quite happily (and accurately) with LR, but I wouldn't be willing to do it on fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Shot foxes for years with my 22 I have no issue with it the tend to be where I'm close and need to be quiet or discreet. My FAC says AOLQ and now so should everyone else's from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 This is quite a misunderstood topic and it keeps being stated (wrongly) that police will not allow .22lr to be used for shooting fox. The .22lr is perfectly suited to fox control in the right circumstances. Indeed, it is the weapon of choice. Generally speaking, however, the police will not accept 'fox control' as 'good reason' for having a .22lr as there are more suitable (centrefire) calibres for that purpose. 'Good reason' for having a .22lr could be 'rabbit control' as it is ideally suited to that purpose. It can then also be used against fox in the right circumstances. If possible have the 'any lawful quarry' statement on your licence as that removes any legal ambiguity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleFieldRelics Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) As its close range I use a silenced .410 shotgun (magnum) as I'm worried about ricochet from the .22LR in my garden Edited May 1, 2014 by BattleFieldRelics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 surely as in the film a .22 at close range, shooting into the ground couldn't be safer. I have a .22 round that breaks into 3 pieces on impact, this would make a chest shot feasible as each piece creates its own wound channel. Good Luck. The CCI segmenting breaks into thee small frontal sections and retains its heavy base. It does not carry any less ricochet potential and it seems this claim was only made in the UK. It kills very well but I am not sure it will kill fox any better because this is all about perfect placement with the .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'd imagine an 'experienced person' would probably be viewed as post-renewed FAC, so over 5 yrs experience. That seems to be the guideline that the Police have for automatically opening up a FAC, if it hasn't been requested previously, and I also believe that words to that extent are in the police guidance, but I'm not going to wade through that lot again just to check. However, it really is an absolute minefield. Nothing really concrete written down. I view 22LR and fox as a sub-50 yard combination myself. I suppose you could take foxes out to 100 yards or so with a fast 22LR, but that's for better shots than me. I'll punch paper out to that distance quite happily (and accurately) with LR, but I wouldn't be willing to do it on fox. Actually and interestingly there is little difference in retained energy at 100 yards between subs and HV, its at short range were most of the extra whack is held by the HV As its close range I use a silenced .410 shotgun (magnum) as I'm worried about ricochet from the .22LR in my garden That must be at seriously close range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Actually and interestingly there is little difference in retained energy at 100 yards between subs and HV, its at short range were most of the extra whack is held by the HV Sorry, I wasn't making any point regarding retained energy on 22LR at 100 yards. I was only saying that with 22LR, environmental factors have too great an effect for me to be happy using it on fox at that distance. Then again, it gives the perfect reason for having a .223 ! Edited May 1, 2014 by robbiep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Sorry, I wasn't making any point regarding retained energy on 22LR at 100 yards. I was only saying that with 22LR, environmental factors have too great an effect for me to be happy using it on fox at that distance. Then again, it gives the perfect reason for having a .223 ! I know of them killed at that range and further though its not for me either, just thought its an interesting fact about HV. Better guns for foxing once you get out of the garden, .22 although a legend for the weird and large things it has killed tends to do it slowly if its not spot on the spot. Never been tempted but I don't need to shoot them on housing estates either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 It seems that many do not realise the potency of the .22 rim fire . It is a very deadly round on soft skinned mammals up to 100 yards . Both the HV and the hollow point will kill old Reynard dead at ranges up to 100 yards . Over the years I have killed many a fox with the .22 rim fire . At 100 yards both rounds will penetrate a 1 inch thick piece of laminate board that I pin my targets on . A few years ago in Scotland a walker was accidentally shot in the head by a .22 rimfire and killed at a range of 700 yards . Don't under estimate the .22 rimfire it is a very deadly round and can be deadly at ranges of one kilometre . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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