srspower Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 We did some testing between these loads over the weekend. I hope to get a chance to go wildfowling soon so it was quite interesting to see how steel shot performs. Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 find some steel BB then go shoot a catalogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 5mm doing 1600fps at say 20 yards through 1/2 choke vs the dreaded catalogue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) Can't see the point of 'testing' steel #3's and lead #3's. To get a better comparison you should have used lead shot #5 or #6. Your 'penetration test' and patterning would have been a more accurate reflection of the differences between lead and steel. Out of interest what choke were you using? Edited May 5, 2014 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Whats the point of testing a 32gram load against a 52gram load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Can't see the point of 'testing' steel #3's and lead #3's. To get a better comparison you should have used lead shot #5 or #6. Your 'penetration test' and patterning would have been a more accurate reflection of the differences between lead and steel. Out of interest what choke were you using? We used a modified choke and we used lead in 3 because it was the same number! Whats the point of testing a 32gram load against a 52gram load? The point is they were both number 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) I think this video is a bit misleading. If I were doing a proper test I would make sure it was a little more in depth. The pattern tests were a total waste of time. By the way, the reason why lead is banned on wildfowl in England, is to stop it being ingested by them. Plastic wads are generally not ingested by wildfowl! And another thing, big lead loads are still readily available. Edited May 5, 2014 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 We used a modified choke and we used lead in 3 because it was the same number! The point is they were both number 3. They may be number 3, but lead 3s and steel 3s are different sizes. You've also compared patterns, well one has 20 grams more shot so that test is completely useless. I'm sorry to say you have wasted your time doing a comparison as it is completely useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 They may be number 3, but lead 3s and steel 3s are different sizes. You've also compared patterns, well one has 20 grams more shot so that test is completely useless. I'm sorry to say you have wasted your time doing a comparison as it is completely useless Strangely enough, the pellet count may be fairly similar, but the tests were poor and meaningless. It was a comparison between a steel duck shell and a lead goose shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Top marks for having a go but it does seem you have compared apples with oranges - both fruits but different. Nice video though and some nice camera work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Like has been said 52 gram of 3 lead is more a fox / goose load while 36 grm of 3 steel is a duck load. comparing is hard FYI as regards poisoning as few as 1 or 2 lead number six is enough to kill an adult mallard if ingested. If not directly though poisoning then through weakening its digestive system and damage long term to the liver and kidneys weakening it on migration or at times of stress. As many as 76 pellets have been found in the gizzard of a duck so they certainly gather them as grit. Plastic wads are although unsightly relatively harmless. Its a bit more than political sooner or later we had to stop. The difference here to the USA is they did it to conserve a resource we did it because we were legislated against, there will always be resentment to that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I think this video is a bit misleading. If I were doing a proper test I would make sure it was a little more in depth. The pattern tests were a total waste of time. By the way, the reason why lead is banned on wildfowl in England, is to stop it being ingested by them. Plastic wads are generally not ingested by wildfowl! And another thing, big lead loads are still readily available. Yes iwas going to make this point because my dad gets them big clever mirage 3 1/2" 64 gram loads in lead for fox and geese/duck shooting. ( we can use lead inland on wildfowl incase anyones wondering) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Yeah to me the video was a complete waste and some inacurate infomation and just didnt make any sense. Enjoy your videos normally but the last few have been a bit of a let down. Would of made more sense if you had compared 32gram lead to 32gram steel or 36 gram lead and steel in the same shot size. Plus your un true in that they dont make 50gram loads as i buy rc50s and solway 50gram for fox and for inland geese in scotland so i would do a bit more research and fact finding before you say as it does make you look and sound rather stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Nice one lads , it's always nice to see how different cartridges pattern even though they weren't the same load we can still take something from it. The bit when you stated its an argos mag with the captions was so funny. Keep them coming lads even if they are not quite factual the know alls on here will soon put you right. Lol. Ps a mate of mine says you can not get a true pattern on a static target so he use to put a board on the side of his old transit and drive it round the farm to test cartridges perhaps this might something you could put up next. Lol .good on ya for making the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I really enjoyed watching that, hope to see more soon .... Might just be me, but at 6'.45" on the video. I can see Homer Simpsons face in the pattern ... anyhow great stuff, hope to see more soon !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I really enjoyed watching that, hope to see more soon .... Might just be me, but at 6'.45" on the video. I can see Homer Simpsons face in the pattern ... anyhow great stuff, hope to see more soon !! Great stuff? You are joking, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Its all very well posting these "educational" type videos , but the facts need to be right . I mean if they banned lead to stop it entering the food chain do you perhaps think they would stop the shooting of pheasants, pigeons, rabbits etc with it ! That and all the other inaccuracies render the video useless really , your videos are decent quality but the content could do with more research at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Great stuff? You are joking, surely?Everything these lads didn't get quite right has been brought to their attention and im sure they have taken it in fully. For you to keep ridiculing their efforts says a lot more about you than it does them I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Everything these lads didn't get quite right has been brought to their attention and im sure they have taken it in fully. For you to keep ridiculing their efforts says a lot more about you than it does them I'm afraid. Not ridiculing them at all. Just pointing out that the video is full of inaccuracies. I could list more examples if I wanted, but I've chosen not to. As has already been mentioned, if you're going to attempt some kind of instructional video, at least try to get a few of the facts right before doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Ive looked again and he's in there. "KEEP POSTING THE VID'S" ... lve a feeling these dudes wont be to bothered about remarks made by the PW massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Not ridiculing them at all. Just pointing out that the video is full of inaccuracies. I could list more examples if I wanted, but I've chosen not to. As has already been mentioned, if you're going to attempt some kind of instructional video, at least try to get a few of the facts right before doing so. but others have added value with info . Rather than ( great ? Your joking, surely?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Just watched it again ... and yes l am "surely" of the opinion, l enjoyed their filming manner and content ... appear to be two level headed guys, posting a shooting video on PW ... l await to view the whingers video efforts, and will post my opinion of their attempts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Another point I would like to make is why is Tom so skiddish about those 3" cartridges they dont hurt especially out of a maxus semi or any other semi for that matter and before he says he wasnt expecting the recoil he shoupd be hes firing a case which is bigger and has more powder in it therefor common sense is gonna make you a bit more prepared for when you fire the larger carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Just watched it again ... and yes l am "surely" of the opinion, l enjoyed their filming manner and content ... appear to be two level headed guys, posting a shooting video on PW ... l await to view the whingers video efforts, and will post my opinion of their attempts I'm sure they are level headed guys, but you seem unaware that this 'instructional' offering has been made by people who haven't a clue what they're talking about. I'm not questioning the way they put the video together - that's actually a pretty good effort and certainly better than I could manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 I hope they post more enjoyable vids ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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