pestcontrol1 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Thanks for the offer , I am still a long way from you though so will pass , I am fairly well stocked at the moment anyway George was going to contact my local retailer so hopefully he will stock some at some point Not a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 we done 86000 this week I got them before any body else that weekly is knocking on the door of 5 million yearly don't worry its me hobby and its working plus meeting new people and a bit of new shooting here and there balls to the rat race I can see them now stuck in office nearest they get to a pigeon is looking out the window over kings cross old Chinese proverb go to the money or you wait longer for it coming to you just noticed your bit 12 gauge 28 gram at 169 well look I am doing 30 gram at that price what a bargain thanks george some one said the shops make 5 quid a slab , 86000 is 1,700 profit good on ya mate, can't see wot some people are going on about , I load some of my own , it doesn't save me it cost me more to be fair ,for me it's a I made them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Thats very kind, has he agreed to stock them then ? he said he has been trying to find me for a while that's the trouble I have not been advertising till now and that's honest just with all of you on here I could sit on here past mid night if this is for cartridges a very select market fen boy which kind has motty been shooting thanks George can you give motty a few more keep him going thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 hi all I have give instructions to my web man to activate my other website called www. we are not greedy . com all one word on there is the machine which can make up to 12 000 per hour you will see it make 4 per second or near print and pack that's a box coming of every 6 seconds so wearenotgreedy.com watch the space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 he said he has been trying to find me for a while that's the trouble I have not been advertising till now and that's honest just with all of you on here I could sit on here past mid night if this is for cartridges a very select market fen boy which kind has motty been shooting thanks George can you give motty a few more keep him going thanks george I also gave you the heads up that Cecil at whaplode might be interested. They do shift an awful lot of shells, probably more than any other shop I know of. I bought your 32 gram 6 (black hulls) from Ovington. I had to ask for them, there was no mention of them on their price lists. They were £5 a box, more than I usually pay for shells. I would much rather have a standard 28gm 2.4mm or 2.5mm shot size. If you could get them in the shops retailing around £4 a box, I would buy plenty. I wasn't being facetious before. I was asking a legitimate question. You obviously want to sell millions of your cartridges. I wanted to know, in your opinion, why we should want to buy your cartridges instead of the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 hi motty I should be down your way by about Friday am going to leave you and fen boy some samples try the high speed am sure you will like these especialy at the price of 210 or about a fiver a box now honestly at 4 abox equals 160 per thousand vat out of that is about 32 leaving 138 then haulage to the shop is about 1.50 pence depending on how many on the pallet so now you have 136 so you give the shop 10 percent at 13.60p now down to 132 about there is a bit in there of profit for poor George look at the components you r getting your case is a cheddite with a 12 mm head what most of the others r using in the higher end you get your weight of shot mine I do from 31.80 to 32.30 for a 32 gram icould go on and on but sorry sir it cannot be done not with the componenets I am using not for George to put together and have a bit of profit from 132 I haven't got the electic meter turned the wrong way you know not since I got caught!!! ha ha might see you soon what sasagues do you like thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) George I sense this typing business is new to you have you got a calculator? “so now you have 136 so you give the shop 10 percent at 13.60p now down to 132” nop £136 - £13.60 is £122.40 But George Motty is asking for only 28gm of shot not 32gm so that is a saving of nearly £7 (from your previous posts) so your £169 for 32gm becomes £162 for 28gm does it not? Which is very close to what Motty asked for £160 (is not 28gm #6 what has been asked for many times now?) Motty one thing you learn quite quickly once you start reloading is that given that all comerciall cartridges are made to CIP standards and that there is only a few component manufatcures there is very little difference between any make of cartridge. Yes you can get a cosmetic difference in brass head length and can play on the pattern plate to see exacly how they shoot in your gun but I expect like most of us after many years of shoting I have concluded that if you do your bit and put the shot it the correct place at the correct time then any cartridge will deliver success. powders are the big difference and hence recoil differs. edit - George just spotted your £169 price is for 30gm so above not quite correct about £165 for 28gm close to £4 per box. Edited July 30, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 This is all getting very interesting, I look forward to getting some of your carts on Friday George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 mr browning I soon have to go got a load of cardboard boxes 12000 pounds worth to be exact to unload my cartrs at 169 r 30 gram not 32 thanks for the maths no wonder I am not making any substanshall profit might have to sell my Ferrari soon so what is your call culation on my shop price of 28 gram to the shops the diff on a smaller brass head is about 4 euors per thousand the I suppose I could put the lead at 27.5 and save a few quit there and still be legal for cip so save 2 quid on the heads maybe ten bob on the lead but you see it looks like I am skimping and robbing my customers and another line to carry when I order cases had a hell of a job trying to get tartan cases for a Scottish job so no chaps that's as low as I can go or want to go I am not a hard man to deal with but I have to stay on the pigs back and not land in the clarts under it oink oink George gone for the day now chaps phone is best 07714 323 909 thank you george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 George, Is steel any cheaper to load than lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 George, Is steel any cheaper to load than lead? not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 not really That's what we keep hearing - but why not? Particularly when we keep hearing the 'price of lead' stories when cartridge prices go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 That's what we keep hearing - but why not? Particularly when we keep hearing the 'price of lead' stories when cartridge prices go up. powder more expensive steel wads more expensive steel is a bit cheaper than lead 6 of one and half a dozen of another really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 powder more expensive steel wads more expensive steel is a bit cheaper than lead 6 of one and half a dozen of another really I'd love to gear what George has to say about it as he does this on a commercial basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 sorry chaps I don't load steel at the moment maybe a bit later on but not at the way things r going with lead and my 3 advertised carts it has gone mad I clearly must be to cheap will be very busy from now till Monday at least so my appoligies if I don't get back quicker for straight business please tel 07714 323 909 thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 if it was more expensive to reload steel than lead, the manufacturers wouldnt do it, or steel shells would considerably cost more, than the lead counterpart, 24g clay loads, steel is £50 cheaper than lead (gamebore loads) £211 for steel 32g loads compared to £ 250 (hull loads) if george, wanted to, he could do a value 24g steel, #5s or uk#4s at 1300fps @2.5M, would be cheap, you could probbly get vec-A1 or similar to do that job, as A1 can handle 36g lead loads. if they are cheaper to make, then someone is going to make less money somewhere.... £140/k is what JC sell gamebore 24g steel 7.5s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 why tie up a reloader with a product that isnt that popular? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 sorry chaps I don't load steel at the moment maybe a bit later on but not at the way things r going with lead and my 3 advertised carts it has gone mad I clearly must be to cheap will be very busy from now till Monday at least so my appoligies if I don't get back quicker for straight business please tel 07714 323 909 thanks george I'm curious about the economics of it. Have you done the sums on steel? If you did load steel, would they be an economical alternative to lead either for clay loads - 24-28g of 7 or 7.5 - or perhaps a wildfowling loads - 30-35g of 4's or 5's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 hi alljust a quick one if you think there r stories about lead just do this go on google type lme up will come the London metal exchange type lead get yourself a note book and every day as it changes every day write down the lead price good time to start august 1 tomorrow so write it down every day then at the end of the month ad your given days should be about 20 then divide as the lead price is worked on the previous month plus the antimony making of the shot a bit of waste coz you melt a ton you don't get a ton out they reckon about 5% that disappears or goes into slag then haulage to your door my calculations say lead will be up this next month but will find out tomorrow when locatelli replys reason we r now sneaking towards the winter months for car batteries ect so there you have it contract buying no I buy as I go when you contract buy that's another rope around your neck so me I just put the whole job together some you win some you loose thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 mr aris I have not any intentions on steel at the momemt so I have not even looked into it I cannot tell you nothing about it no good wasting time on things I have no intention of doing please remember I am only 1 person here and I am busy enough without doing any more ok get help then the pay must come from increased prices look at eley how much do you think it costs to pay the guys on the gate 7 days 24 hours and say every member of staff £50 on a bank holiday for doing nowt no I am am ok just plodding along if I can do about 70 to 100 000 each week that's enough thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 if it was more expensive to reload steel than lead, the manufacturers wouldnt do it, or steel shells would considerably cost more, than the lead counterpart, 24g clay loads, steel is £50 cheaper than lead (gamebore loads) £211 for steel 32g loads compared to £ 250 (hull loads) if george, wanted to, he could do a value 24g steel, #5s or uk#4s at 1300fps @2.5M, would be cheap, you could probbly get vec-A1 or similar to do that job, as A1 can handle 36g lead loads. if they are cheaper to make, then someone is going to make less money somewhere.... £140/k is what JC sell gamebore 24g steel 7.5s The steel shells that are available here for clay shooting are just a by product of the shells exported to countries where lead is banned Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) I wonder just how big the export market is for the UK manufactures given the number of EU maufactures that are imported to the UK you would think they Trust, RC, Fiocchi etc could beat the price of any UK export hands down. After all the UK manufacture first import the components powder, wads etc then make the cartridges and then export them back, transport costs alone must be significant. Edited July 31, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 from what I know it works out about £5 per thousand and the market well you have no idea lets say we have 1 million shooters and lets say farmer giles shoots 100 per year to scare crows ect ect then you have the clay boys me been in the job have been told it could be 500 million giving everybody to shoot 500 apiece that's what I got told of cheddite when I began sniffing about in 2007 that's why I say my little bit is nothing that's why I want to stick to what I know and use bottom line yes 5 million would do that's only 1 good days work a week of 100 000 carts per day chuck in another 2 half days of about 2 hours for packing for the lorrys ect after of course the machine is set up and ready to roll thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 from what I know it works out about £5 per thousand and the market well you have no idea lets say we have 1 million shooters and lets say farmer giles shoots 100 per year to scare crows ect ect then you have the clay boys me been in the job have been told it could be 500 million giving everybody to shoot 500 apiece that's what I got told of cheddite when I began sniffing about in 2007 that's why I say my little bit is nothing that's why I want to stick to what I know and use bottom line yes 5 million would do that's only 1 good days work a week of 100 000 carts per day chuck in another 2 half days of about 2 hours for packing for the lorrys ect after of course the machine is set up and ready to roll thanks george George, is it just me? Or does anybody understand this? can somebody translate it back to english. what works out at £5 per thousand? how many cartridges are exported 500million is that what you are saying UK to EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 George, is it just me? Or does anybody understand this? can somebody translate it back to english. what works out at £5 per thousand? how many cartridges are exported 500million is that what you are saying UK to EU? I struggle to understand all of his posts. If he posted in more comprehensible English then i think he might get some more sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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