Gordon R Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Laird Lugton, for someone who wrongly gloats about people being slapped down, perhaps you need to get your own act together. On "here" would be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Laird Lugton, for someone who wrongly gloats about people being slapped down, perhaps you need to get your own act together. On "here" would be correct. Sorry. Debating and daddy day care duties don't go together.... Edited September 8, 2014 by Laird Lugton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Apology accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Its all going to end in tears...One of the first things that happens is a increase in interest rates and Mortgage rates as Scotland's commerce struggles to build its own currency and fiscal policy. The lenders wont be able to ply their trade in the EU because Scotland wont be a member of it, and the British based lenders are going to be very belligerent and unhelpful. Give it 10 or 20 years after the novelty has worn off and the Scots will be banging on the doors of Westminster asking to come back in. If I were the Scots keen on independence I would have a good long think about what its going to mean to your Employment, income and financial security before you blindly follow Salmond down the Tweed without a paddle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I agree with everything you say but on the above point I don't think Wesminster has helped by keeping the Mccrone report secret from the Scottish public. It certainly breeds distrust of the establishment..... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCrone_report Oh I am with you on that, I am no apologist for Westminster and I fully expect and believe that there is still a lot of information with held from all of us, not just the Scottish, that would further breed distrust and dissent. I also expect that is common to every developed nation in the world. Power is always tainted with dishonesty and abuse which makes it so ironic that the grass roots of the yes campaign think that somehow Scotland will be immune to that in the brave new world of secession from the UK, because we are Scottish we won't have abuse of parliamentary privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Scotland will also have no representation at westminster and no Scottish Minister and will 'negotiate' with England. No-one will be Scotlands friend after this. RBS have confirmed they will be moving to London - only if they change their name and anti Scottish feeling will be an impediment to be overcome at a difficult time. The grass is always greener but it may simply be scorched earth. I still hope for the retention of the union but has anyone noticed the English flags going up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Scotland will also have no representation at westminster and no Scottish Minister and will 'negotiate' with England. No-one will be Scotlands friend after this. RBS have confirmed they will be moving to London - only if they change their name and anti Scottish feeling will be an impediment to be overcome at a difficult time. The grass is always greener but it may simply be scorched earth. I still hope for the retention of the union but has anyone noticed the English flags going up ? Neither they should have representation in Westminster when it is a separate country, after the date of independence, however during the period of negotiation Scotland will still be part of the union so will have the same representation as they do now, albeit with very little favour I would agree, The suggested date of independence is 24 March 2016, at least according to Kim Jong Eck, which is 309 years to the date of the Act of Union. Pleased to see he picked that date based on sound reasons and nothing to do with a bit of misplaced symbolism and sentiment !!!! Some interesting issues comes out of this though, all assuming a yes vote of course; Should the Scottish people still be allowed to vote in the 2015 general election? If there continues to be Scottish MP's in Westminster should they be allowed to vote on non Scottish issues until the day they get turfed out? If the Scottish vote gave a small minority to Labour, or caused a hung parliament, but removal of those MP's allowed a Conservative majority, or largest single share of the vote what would/should happen? Should the Scottish MP's be counted towards a parliamentary majority? As much as I don't want to see a Yes vote it will be fascinating to watch how everything unfolds. Edited September 8, 2014 by grrclark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Nial - there are a chunk of people who believe that the oil is "Scottish". It is very misleading, as it is not. Some of the "Scottish oil" area of the North Sea falls into "English" waters. As above Gordon the majority is in Scottish waters. More worryingly there are a chunk of people who think the oil money is going to provide a land of milk and honey, rather than just go towards trying to balance the books. I would laugh my ******** off if Shetland and Ornkney seceded from Scotland to re-joing the rUK on a yes vote (apart from the fact we'd be in the thick of it). Nial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Nial - interesting scenario. Personally, I think that an independent Scotland would harm the rest of the UK and Scotland. However, I have no vote and nothing that is written on this or any other forum will affect the actual vote. The issue is very complicated, but many seek to make it a simple one, missing out any facts or doubts which don't suit their purpose. People appear to have made up their minds with their heart rather than their head, but that is their right. I agree with others, that it will be interesting to see exactly what would happen if the yes vote succeeds. I have a fair number of Scottish friends and would not like to see them suffer, if Scotland goes down the pan. Sadly I suspect it will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Can anyone think of any country that has gained independence.that fifty or one hundred years later reverts back to a pre independence situation?If Scotland votes for independence they will never return to the U.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Can anyone think of any country that has gained independence.that fifty or one hundred years later reverts back to a pre independence situation?If Scotland votes for independence they will never return to the U.K. Crimea would be a very recent example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Crimea isn`t a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Can anyone think of any country that has gained independence.that fifty or one hundred years later reverts back to a pre independence situation?If Scotland votes for independence they will never return to the U.K. hurray for that, at least the currency issue is resolved Edited September 8, 2014 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Crimea would be a very recent example The Crimea was given by khrushchev to the Ukraine when they were all part of the USSR, so really no change for it's people at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Crimea isn`t a country. Does it really make a difference, the relevance of that or any other country/region/province to the Scottish debate is of no consequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 The Crimea was given by khrushchev to the Ukraine when they were all part of the USSR, so really no change for it's people at the time. As part of the collapse of the USSR the Ukraine including Crimea seceded or gained independence from Russia. The people of the Crimea have decided that they want to be part of Russia and have since done so, albeit in a slightly different context. Not withstanding any of that, it has absolutely no relevance to the Scottish independence debate other than perhaps a note of academic interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 hurray for that, at least the currency issue is resolved Wow that's spookey, looking at the date on the note this thing has been going on longer than I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I was replying to Fisherman Mikes comments about Scotland begging to Westminster to be re-admitted in ten or twenty years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) My fear is that it is going to be very close and messy. If as Niall touches on what if clearly defined regions have a majority saying No. What of voting fraud, it's happened in the past in UK elections in the form of postal ballot rigging and has been swept under the proverbial carpet. Who's riding shotgun on the fairness or not of this result? Edited September 8, 2014 by TriBsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I will really miss Andy Stewart and his Hogmanay Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Alex Salmond looks like Nursie off Black Adder. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=black+adder+nursie&biw=1024&bih=725&tbm=isch&imgil=Ws3mvsvujAP6nM%253A%253BuSw0g-nu1XiwOM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fblackadder.wikia.com%25252Fwiki%25252FNursie&source=iu&fir=Ws3mvsvujAP6nM%253A%252CuSw0g-nu1XiwOM%252C_&usg=__iSD3I7ms9N-jzuA8ShfwHsxetR0%3D&sa=X&ei=ns0NVIbAB4jm7Aa9loBo&ved=0CE0Q9QEwBg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Ws3mvsvujAP6nM%253A%3BuSw0g-nu1XiwOM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg1.wikia.nocookie.net%252F__cb20110813132225%252Fblackadder%252Fimages%252F5%252F51%252FBlackadder_2_nursie.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fblackadder.wikia.com%252Fwiki%252FNursie%3B330%3B285 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Alex Salmond looks like Nursie off Black Adder. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=black+adder+nursie&biw=1024&bih=725&tbm=isch&imgil=Ws3mvsvujAP6nM%253A%253BuSw0g-nu1XiwOM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fblackadder.wikia.com%25252Fwiki%25252FNursie&source=iu&fir=Ws3mvsvujAP6nM%253A%252CuSw0g-nu1XiwOM%252C_&usg=__iSD3I7ms9N-jzuA8ShfwHsxetR0%3D&sa=X&ei=ns0NVIbAB4jm7Aa9loBo&ved=0CE0Q9QEwBg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Ws3mvsvujAP6nM%253A%3BuSw0g-nu1XiwOM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg1.wikia.nocookie.net%252F__cb20110813132225%252Fblackadder%252Fimages%252F5%252F51%252FBlackadder_2_nursie.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fblackadder.wikia.com%252Fwiki%252FNursie%3B330%3B285 Fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 The suggested date of independence is 24 March 2016, at least according to Kim Jong Eck, which is 309 years to the date of the Act of Union. Pleased to see he picked that date based on sound reasons and nothing to do with a bit of misplaced symbolism and sentiment !!!! If there is a yes vote, I would not be surprised if the place falls apart before then. There will be massive uncertainty in business, and some businesses which are obligated to be in the UK (defence contractors for instance), and there may well be a sudden halt in any investment. All of a sudden Ned is out of a job, and didn't think it would happen to him. Could well be pitchforks in the street scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 hurray for that, at least the currency issue is resolved Very good but Sterling is a British Currency...shouldn't that be rephrased to £5.00 pounds from Sterling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 The really interesting thing for me is that everything on the note is phoney. I wonder where its printed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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