strangford wildfowler Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Seen these on YouTube, and to be honest I thought they sounded cracker, they are a 3'1/2" case and they are.something like 1700 fps. But I think that would be- 1.quite expensive 2. Hard to come by But has anyone used them before Link to the video, hope it works.http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=l5fSh8pzSeI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Seen these on YouTube, and to be honest I thought they sounded cracker, they are a 3'1/2" case and they are.something like 1700 fps. But I think that would be- 1.quite expensive 2. Hard to come by But has anyone used them before Link to the video, hope it works.http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=l5fSh8pzSeI I'm in Canada right now, going gooseing next week. I have some Hypersonics, in BB and No2 shot, you can get over the counter here from Canadian Tire (pal licence needed) for about $33 canadian a box - say £18. However, you do need a 31/2 inch-chambered gun, and they could exceed tested proof levels on some guns...... I'll let you know what I find, if I don't blow up!! Oh Yes, I bet they kick like hell!! 13/8 ounces of steel sent out at 1700fps??..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 As it stands at the moment we will never get these shells over here as they will no doubt exceed cip regulations. Shame as they look pretty handy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 As it stands at the moment we will never get these shells over here as they will no doubt exceed cip regulations. Shame as they look pretty handy! Interesting I didn't know there was a limit, have to say they did look good especially for long range birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 If we could get a faster 3" shell why should we want a 3 1/2" . My point is of course the 3 1/2" is a way of overloading a 12 ga with more shot than it was ever meant to carry to get more strikes at a lower impact energy to achieve a clean kill when using steel. Remember steel already has very high pellet counts. When I have used up the rest of my 3 1/2" stock I can see me moving to 3" again in the 12 ga, they are far from sweet shooting and compared to the same 42 grm load from a ten bore are no real comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Interesting I didn't know there was a limit, May just pay to have a look at the BASC Information Sheet, 'Steel Shot What You Need To Know'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I'm in Canada right now, going gooseing next week. I have some Hypersonics, in BB and No2 shot, you can get over the counter here from Canadian Tire (pal licence needed) for about $33 canadian a box - say £18. However, you do need a 31/2 inch-chambered gun, and they could exceed tested proof levels on some guns...... I'll let you know what I find, if I don't blow up!! Oh Yes, I bet they kick like hell!! 13/8 ounces of steel sent out at 1700fps??..!! You will have to let us know how you get on with pictures as well if you can, I would like that please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Read about them on American Wildfowling and Duck Hunting Forums. Most people say they blow there patterns and get better results with the slower 1500fps shells. Most aftermarket wildfowl chokes have a speed limit on what you can put through them. Heavier softer steel at current 1400-1500fps speeds is what we need. Let us know how you rate them. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Read about them on American Wildfowling and Duck Hunting Forums. Most people say they blow there patterns and get better results with the slower 1500fps shells. Most aftermarket wildfowl chokes have a speed limit on what you can put through them. Heavier softer steel at current 1400-1500fps speeds is what we need. Let us know how you rate them. Figgy Just like all the hype about eleys lightning steel loads at 1600fps, when they are closer to 1450fps which is more than enough speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landofficer Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Hi took a photo of them last year when on holiday in Florida to remember the price etc Tried to attach photo but not worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kitchrat Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 You will have to let us know how you get on with pictures as well if you can, I would like that please. I'll try.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Read about them on American Wildfowling and Duck Hunting Forums. Most people say they blow there patterns and get better results with the slower 1500fps shells. Most aftermarket wildfowl chokes have a speed limit on what you can put through them. Figgy In which case, www.fourten.org.uk/steel3.pdf may be worth a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Read about them on American Wildfowling and Duck Hunting Forums. Most people say they blow there patterns and get better results with the slower 1500fps shells. Most aftermarket wildfowl chokes have a speed limit on what you can put through them. Heavier softer steel at current 1400-1500fps speeds is what we need. Let us know how you rate them. Figgy I agree with you, softer steel does pattern more consistent and must be the way to forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Questions: If American steel shot cartridges are sold in the UK are they subject to CIP or SAAMI hardness levels. The CIP standards are surface less than 110 VH1 and similarly, core, less than 100. Anyone know the SAAMI rating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Think the American imported loads are well out of CIP. Eley Lightning carts are out of CIP to. More and more guns are proofed for hp steel, time for CIP to adjust for this. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Good read Wymberly, had read it in the past but forgot a lot of it. Think I'll try my 1/4 choke next. With my wildfowl load choices. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Think the American imported loads are well out of CIP. Eley Lightning carts are out of CIP to. More and more guns are proofed for hp steel, time for CIP to adjust for this. Figgy cip is 2 tier, so shells labelled as HP are just that. average no more than 1050BAR statistical outlier at 1200BAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Cookoff013 what is the pressure for 3 1/2" chambered guns with superior steel shot proof. I know 1370 is hp steel proof. Sure I've seen1550 bar or around that figure somewhere? Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Cookoff013 what is the pressure for 3 1/2" chambered guns with superior steel shot proof. I know 1370 is hp steel proof. Sure I've seen1550 bar or around that figure somewhere? Figgy Gets complicated doesn't it? 1320 is the minimum HP proof (CIP), but you're right, 1370 has been bandied about - was that something to do with something coming out of Italy? I was under the impression that the 31/2 inch chamber was also 1320 proof (CIP). But there again, I have no idea as to what superior steel shot is.........a rose by any other name.........perhaps. All this 'superior' and 'ultra' this or that is meaningless unless the description is formally defined and regulated. It's actually worse than useless as it's also confusing and someone could end up getting hurt as a result. Hopefully, Cookoff will come along and enlighten us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Think the 1550 bar is American specs, but looking online today can't find anything. The Americans use very fast loads through their guns with no problems, yet CIP stop us having the same loads. Just up the proof pressures and sort the steel loads out properly. As you say Wymberly they need classifying properly. Standard, high performance, superior steel proof. Wonder if the figure I've seen is a ten bore proof pressure, not sure. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 http://www.fabarm.com/web_eng/dettaglio-prodotto.asp?i=71 The answer to all problems, a gun proofed to 1630 bar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I think my 10 is only proofed to 1040 Bar. I put any shells through it (1600 fps steel homeloads etc) and it is fine. I think people worry just a little too much about proof pressures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I would probably stick them true my gun but then again I'll try most things, I thought these would've been brilliant for long ranges birds but at $24 what's that like £20 a box I don't think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 the 3.5" 12gauge runs at an MAP 14,000 psi, thats nearly 1/3rd more than standard cip 12gauge (740bar 10,770psi or thereabouts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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