Salop Matt Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Folks, A farm I very occasionaly walk around has some duck on a small pond and am fancying having a go at them, they havent been there before so ive always used lead for my walk arounds up there for crow, pigeon and rabbit. (The farmer is hapy for me shoot them also before anyone asks.) I know very little about none toxic shot but I do know that my new Browning 525 is safe for steel and has the FDL stamp. So as just for a box of 25 (am sure this will be pleanty)what brand, shot type, shot size would you recommend ? ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) Gamebore 2 3/4" (70mm) 1 1/8oz (32g) steel 4's and/or 3's. Edited November 5, 2014 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Eley lightning steel in 3 shot or Gamebore mamouth also in a 3 , I take it yor gun has a 3" chamber which will be needed with most decent steel loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 The only thing to really consider is if you're restricted to fibre wads or not. If you are, then steel is pretty much out, I think all steel is plaswad. If that is the case , then bismuth is probably the best choice. If you aren't shooting lots, then the price doesn't really get prohibitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Yes guys, fibre wad so as to not upset the farmer. What Bismuth cartidges should I look at then ? ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I think only Eley do bismuth cartridges, when you see the price on them you may just leave the ducks alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 c. £25-35 a box. http://eleyhawkltd.com/cartridge/12-gauge/bismuth/vip Yes guys, fibre wad so as to not upset the farmer.What Bismuth cartidges should I look at then ?ATBMatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 just use steel and pick up the wads.... you cant miss them they are huge.... (..... the wad is huge !) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 You will hardly be covering the ground with plastic on a duck flight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Cheers guys, I will go steel then ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 So you say you're not going to use plaswads, to avoid upsetting the farmer, but then, all of a sudden, you are going to use steel and plaswads. Bizarre. But hey, it's your permission to risk losing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Gamebore do a fibre wad steel cartridge I believe Probably hard to get hold of though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 he needs to inform the farmer that there is little choice. steel = Plastic. when i`ve shot, i`ve picked up way more plastic wads than i`ve shot. i even picked up a carrier bag full of rusty old shells, where fibre wads were mandatory. it is a little give and take required. going on the odd litter pick isnt above and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 he needs to inform the farmer that there is little choice. steel = Plastic. when i`ve shot, i`ve picked up way more plastic wads than i`ve shot. i even picked up a carrier bag full of rusty old shells, where fibre wads were mandatory. it is a little give and take required. going on the odd litter pick isnt above and beyond. I normally pick wads up when I have had a good day on the pigeon if the crops are not too tall , they mostly all fall in a similar area at a similar range so its no great task at the end of a session May be a bit more difficult over water , but I guess they will all blow into the windward bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 So you say you're not going to use plaswads, to avoid upsetting the farmer, but then, all of a sudden, you are going to use steel and plaswads. Bizarre. But hey, it's your permission to risk losing Hi Robbie, it isnt ideal but with the price difference in mind and that I may be lucky to have 4-6 shots its not going to hert me to have a walk around after and pick up the wads if I can find them is it. Have you seen the price of these cartidges, I was shocked as I was none the wiser. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian g Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 gamebore super steel in 5's is all you need i wouldnt go any bigger espescialy for a flight pond i use these on the marsh with good effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widgeon man Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 If you like picking steel out of your meat....... .... 4's smallest I go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 I cannot think of a fibre wadded non-toxic......last year was pleasanbtly surprised with Eley VIP Steel,32g 4/5s worked v.well on duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry931 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 http://www.gamebore.com/products/37/12g-silver-steel-fibre Gamebore ITM can be had in fibre and Eley Bismuth fibre / photo-degradeable also -H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 http://www.gamebore.com/products/37/12g-silver-steel-fibre Gamebore ITM can be had in fibre and Eley Bismuth fibre / photo-degradeable also -H What he said. Gambore silver steel is 32g 4's with a fiber wad. They are a great duck and all purpose load. They are in limited supply, but last I knew just cartridges had some from the last production run. For shooting a flight pond, there is no reason to use anything else. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Hi Robbie, it isnt ideal but with the price difference in mind and that I may be lucky to have 4-6 shots its not going to hert me to have a walk around after and pick up the wads if I can find them is it. Have you seen the price of these cartidges, I was shocked as I was none the wiser. ATB Matt It would be more expensive to go against the farmer's wishes and have to find a new place than just buying a couple 'premium' non toxic if you're only shooting < 10 a year. A handful of Bismuth fiber 4's isn't going to set you back much and most dealers will have some. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Gamebore silver steel come in a fibre cup for steel. There was a post on here not that long ago about a shoot where they have to use fibre wads and they got the above carts. Personally I wouldn't say anything and just pick up your wads. Bismuth is expensive. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 It would be more expensive to go against the farmer's wishes and have to find a new place than just buying a couple 'premium' non toxic if you're only shooting < 10 a year. A handful of Bismuth fiber 4's isn't going to set you back much and most dealers will have some. thanks rick That's the point I was trying to make too. If you're only shooting 10 or 20 shells a season then the additional cost over steel isn't going to break the bank. (£30 for a box of bismuth, £7 for plaswad steel, so £23 saving for a box) It's all fine saying "say nothing, just pick up your plaswads", but if you happen to miss one, and the farmer finds it ... and if he's said fibre only ... you've potentially lost your permission. If it happens to be a FAC permission too, and it's your 'good reason', then it could be goodbye FAC too. All for a saving of £20 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Gamebore silver steel come in a fibre cup for steel. There was a post on here not that long ago about a shoot where they have to use fibre wads and they got the above carts. Personally I wouldn't say anything and just pick up your wads. Bismuth is expensive. Figgy That was our shoot. Fiber only, even for ducks and geese. rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 where i went wildfowling its supposed to be fibre only, but there is alot of plastic there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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