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If they are "Technichoke" you can order directly from the Fair store (italy) It will take a couple of weeks to arrive but they seem fairly priced https://www.fair-store.com/en/technichoke

VV N135 with a 25gr bullet is a load that pops up a lot The book max is 22.8gr. We are loading 23.5gr for 4200 fps in a 26" barrel (slightly warm load). 24gr is getting too hot. P.S. Use thick primers in the .17 Rem e.g. Rem 7.5, CCI 450 / Br4 etc.

Could work well on big open fields if you aim to hit the ground just in front of the target and spill the shot like in the video. Some people still chase foxes at night on the back of a landrover pickup with shotgun, could work well for that. Too dangerous to use with other people around though

Shot some patterns with the Miroku 28 bore, thought it might interest some on here. Used a Teague Half choke at 40 yards. Hull High Pheasant 23gm No.7 Fibre approx. 62% Gamebore Pure Gold 25gm No.6 Fibre approx. 57% Lyalvale Express 19gm No.6 Plastic approx. 51.4%

Gamebore Steel Game Loads: BBs = 4.25mm No. 1 = 3.82mm No. 3 = 3.52mm No. 5 = 3.05mm

You want to raise the stock (reduce the drop at face). This makes your eye sit higher, thus you bring the front bead higher to meet the target, and so the muzzles are inclined further upwards moving the pattern upwards

Teagues Sold

8, 7.5 & 6.5 will be clay loads and 6 & 4 will be the game loads

Bought a 28 bore Miroku and very happy with it. Have some Pure Gold 25gm No.6 and will get some Hull 23gm 7 too The standard Browning invector chokes are a bit strange, when I measured / patterned them I got: Marked 'Quarter' = 3 thou = 37% Marked 'Half' = 6 thou = 36% Marked 'Full' = 18 thou = 53% That was with Express 19gm No. 6 Plas Good patterns though ... might just go with 7s to bulk out the density Might try Mr. Teague, but I want flush chokes as this is more of a game gun

I only load rifle cartridges but if you could do 28 bore with a nobel sport double base powder that would be very cool Shot size 6.5 would work well

£30 a slab of 100 at countryways http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/steel-tungsten-matrix-and-bismuth-shotgun-cartridges/

Muller H2Os SOLD

Muller U4 SOLD

Muller U3s in both barrels in the sporting clays gun. Personally found the U2s weren't tight enough for rangey edge on targets in my gun (the gun seems to naturally pattern open), and the U4 was fun but beyond my ability to make any use of (although it makes an excellent high bird choke with 5s). Rhino Ported Waterfowl IM in the auto, throws nice patterns about 5/8 in my gun, done a bit of pigeon decoying with it and I get good kills at range, even though it's a bit tighter than necessary it doesn't seem to really be a hinderance. (The Mullers H2Os are also very good to be honest I just prefer the ported choke ... mainly because it looks cool ) And sorry I don't have any invector chokes they're all invector plus

In my obsessive quest for choke perfection I have accumulated a number of 12g chokes ... which I no longer use and I have a new 28 bore, which is just begging for some teagues hmmm... Anyway for sale I have these 12 Gauge Browning / Miroku Invector Plus chokes: 1 x Muller U4 - Fairly well used, average condition, small chips on ceramic but good internally £30 posted 1 x Muller H2O Decoy - Had a bit of use, coating starting to wear on end, merely cosmetic - good condition - £40 Posted 1 x Muller H2O Passing - Same as decoy - £40 posted 2 x Briley Extended Titanium Full - Both used once only - mint - £40 each posted 6 x Teage Flush (2xSkeet, 1x3/8, 1x5/8, 2xX.Full) - Would prefer to sell together for £100 posted with case (You need a tapered key I don't have a spare), but can split if necessary

They're working quite well for me too Here's a pattern I posted a while back of the fibre version through ~half choke at 40 yards (30" circle). I might have shot a couple inches to the right

I bought a slab of Eley Classic Game (Paper Case) last year for game days. They are eye wateringly expensive ~£100 a slab They did seem to kill very well though, had quite a few good birds I think the Hull loads are a 6.5, which should work well for partridge

Looking to get the browning 525 version, although may also look at the miroku as I am in a very similar position. I'm just wondering is the full choke a bit overkill? How far do you think quarter or half would take you on pigeons etc maybe 35 yards? Also there seem to be two versions if ordering aftermarket invector chokes are they the short or long ones?

Personally I prefer stick powder If you want to use the 40gr I'd go for a faster burner than H4895 I've always had good results with Benchmark A little fast, but I'm going to give IMR4198 a go soon too

The target area is smaller hence less hits: 2x2' = 575 square inches 30" diameter circle = 707 square inches Also at 42 yards not 40, so if you scale the hits it's more like: 142, 153, 163 Pattern percentages are nice to know, but I think it's more useful to just eye them up and look for quality

I don't like changing chokes once I've found what works for me. Have sometimes left them in for up to a year. When I do clean them it's a pretty intensive job. I get the choke and internal threads perfectly clean with hot soapy water / white spirit. Then make sure they're dry with a hair dryer. Then I completely smother the internal threads and choke exterior with lithium grease. Then do it up as tight as I can by hand with a tapered wrench. Lots of excess grease to wipe off and push tissue paper through the bore. Only take them out many months later on a rainy/boring day. A bit of heat hairdryer/radiator will slacken the threads ever so slightly and then straight out with the tapered wrench again.

They cycle fine in my 3.5" Maxus (fibre/plastic). They are a fairly stout cartridge. Doubt you will notice the difference in shot size in the field.

Miroku MK38 G5 12b Sport for clays and if someday I ever go high pheasant shooting. Browning Maxus 12b 3.5" for pigeon, rabbit, fox, duck etc and any steel cartridges. Both shoot pretty much the same for me and I can swap and it makes no difference. And hopefully in a few paychecks time I'll get a Browning 525 28b as a game gun to carry around all day as the others aren't really suitable. That's my excuse anyway... I'm hoping those 3 should cover any kind of shooting situation for many years

I had exactly the same problem regarding cheek slap with the club berettas before I had my own gun. My friend said to try his Miroku MK38 and it solved the problem completely so that's what I went out and bought, no regrets.