Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Still think my English Master was right. He maintained that smokers should be shot at birth! We could apply that to all people we dislike. I think all people that believe that they are superior should be shot at birth. 'Lead, Follow OR GET OUT OF MY WAY!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Richie - it is still an enclosed space - merely ventilated. I accept that car fuel pumps junk into the air. I don't have a simple solution or "right" answer - just my opinion. Steppenwolf - your thought process worries me. I presume you have definitive proof that each and every report on second hand smoke is bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hmmm let me think, look at the correlation of increase in asthmatics to the car ownership. The fact that a study showed in the US that there was a direct relationship between children living near busy roads and asthma. Also the fact that petrol and diesal have more complex chemical composition than dried plant leaves. So are you afraid of children being near barbeques, bonfires for what they possibly can breath in, but you are perfectly happen with the walking next to heavy traffic. How you can think that dried leaves can affect your children more than thousands of cars pumping out fossil fuels into the atmosphere. Unfortunately cigarettes contain more than just 'dried leaves'. They contain a cocktail of added chemicals for various purposes. And yes - particulates from vehicles (particularly diesel) are not good for the respiratory system - with prolonged exposure. But you said: Passive smoke has little affect compared to the amount of pollutants found in exhausts. So where is the evidence of this comparison? Yes, both are bad, but one is much more easily avoidable. Smoking in front of children in enclosed place such as a car - is just criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 The rights or wrongs of smoking in a car is not the point. The fact is that it is bloody stupid legislation. It may have a good cause as its intention, but that is no excuse for a bad law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Exactly. Nevermind that all the reports into second hand smoke are bogus in my opinion. So this is just about forcing peopel to think and act in a certain way. Tell that to Roy Castle should you meet him in the afterlife. My mother was a heavy smoker and we all shared it in cars and certain rooms in the house..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Unfortunately cigarettes contain more than just 'dried leaves'. They contain a cocktail of added chemicals for various purposes. And yes - particulates from vehicles (particularly diesel) are not good for the respiratory system - with prolonged exposure. But you said: Passive smoke has little affect compared to the amount of pollutants found in exhausts. So where is the evidence of this comparison? Yes, both are bad, but one is much more easily avoidable. Smoking in front of children in enclosed place such as a car - is just criminal. How are exhaust fumes avoidable? How do you think smog is formed, cigarette smoke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 It's hilarious that some people in this thread are actually trying to justify that it's ok to inhale second hand cigarette smoke My late aunt who never smoked, but ran a pub her entire life and had a tracheostomy in her later life, thanks to second hand smoke. I'm not saying that car fumes are clean, but at least they get to go through the catalytic converter and are relieved of some harmful chemicals. Using this to justify that it's alright to light up in a car with children, or anyone else for that matter is just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 How are exhaust fumes avoidable? How do you think smog is formed, cigarette smoke? They aren't - but cigarette smoke is. Transportation is a necessary part of life and our economy. Cigarettes aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 We could apply that to all people we dislike. I think all people that believe that they are superior should be shot at birth. 'Lead, Follow OR GET OUT OF MY WAY!' Darwin strikes again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 They aren't - but cigarette smoke is. Transportation is a necessary part of life and our economy. Cigarettes aren't. You are repeating the same thing you said in the last thread. So what if smoking is banned, will make really little difference, just to the people that farm it and make cigs and the distribution and corner shops, which won't affect the economy. People can give up easy enough, it won't matter in the end. Will you be happy then, then will can get on to banning something else then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) :lol: Nice on Tightchoke. Edited December 18, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) It's hilarious that some people in this thread are actually trying to justify that it's ok to inhale second hand cigarette smoke My late aunt who never smoked, but ran a pub her entire life and had a tracheostomy in her later life, thanks to second hand smoke. I'm not saying that car fumes are clean, but at least they get to go through the catalytic converter and are relieved of some harmful chemicals. Using this to justify that it's alright to light up in a car with children, or anyone else for that matter is just stupid. My aunt had a tracheostomy, she never went to pubs and never smoked, never lived with anyone that smoked. What does that prove? Edited December 18, 2014 by Richie10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think the law would be hard to enforce and might cause friction between friends, but is there anyone - honestly - who thinks it's okay to smoke with children in their car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think the law would be hard to enforce and might cause friction between friends, but is there anyone - honestly - who thinks it's okay to smoke with children in their car? You are right - it will be hard to enforce. Similar to how the partial ban on smoking in pubs would have been difficult to enforce. The only realistic option is to ban smoking in vehicles You are repeating the same thing you said in the last thread. So what if smoking is banned, will make really little difference, just to the people that farm it and make cigs and the distribution and corner shops, which won't affect the economy. People can give up easy enough, it won't matter in the end. Will you be happy then, then will can get on to banning something else then. While I wouldn't shed a tear if smoking was banned completely - this is unrealistic. I doubt the Zimbabwean or American tobacco farmers will hurt much if smoking in vehicles is banned. all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) I think the law would be hard to enforce and might cause friction between friends, but is there anyone - honestly - who thinks it's okay to smoke with children in their car? +1. But wouldn't it have made sense to make the age 16 and not 18? Considering you can legally smoke at 16 now. Just seems like two laws will be out of step. Thinking of 16/17 year olds say in friend's of the same ages car. Edited December 18, 2014 by TriBsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 You are right - it will be hard to enforce. Similar to how the partial ban on smoking in pubs would have been difficult to enforce. The only realistic option is to ban smoking in vehicles While I wouldn't shed a tear if smoking was banned completely - this is unrealistic. I doubt the Zimbabwean or American tobacco farmers will hurt much if smoking in vehicles is banned. all together. I really wouldn't care if it was banned, the fact is that people are so fixated on smoking and stopping it that they are blinkered to the real issues facing the environment and peoples health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think the law would be hard to enforce and might cause friction between friends, but is there anyone - honestly - who thinks it's okay to smoke with children in their car? Richie10 seems to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Richie10 seems to! You obviously either cannot read or cannot understand what I have written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Having said that, I strongly believe that my dad's smoking in the house when I was a baby/todler has a lot to do with me developing respiratory issues later, but hey, this was the '70's, what did they know? Actually just about everything, they knew of the effects from as early as the 1930's passed legislation in 1964 and banned tv advertising in 1970, if not for the tax it would have been banned years ago. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think the law would be hard to enforce and might cause friction between friends, Friction between friends can be illiminated with appropriate lubrication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Friction between friends can be illiminated with appropriate lubrication. Yes but they will not be allowed to smoke in the car afterwards if one of them is 16/17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 My aunt had a tracheostomy, she never went to pubs and never smoked, never lived with anyone that smoked. What does that prove? I'm just going to take a back seat here and let you be the know-it-all of the thread. You may need one of these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Richie10 I have read all that you have written in this thread, surely it is better to stop passive smoking in a confined space when youngsters are present and then move on to the next thing to sort out. If it were to save a small person from starting to smoke or prevents them succumbing to lung cancer or any of the other terrible conditions. But have it your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Richie - it is still an enclosed space - merely ventilated. I accept that car fuel pumps junk into the air. I don't have a simple solution or "right" answer - just my opinion. Steppenwolf - your thought process worries me. I presume you have definitive proof that each and every report on second hand smoke is bogus. Nope not definite proof, but it still doesn't mean I buy the "evils of second hand smoke" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 we'll have tp only give kids vegetables soon too............cannot really see this needs legislating.........be a pig to enforce too......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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