ollie Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 If you are considering them pest, which are not, knowing how many gnawers they are eating each year, including rabbits. why not just poison them, instead to execute them. Poisonning is not a human treatment ,by your standards and has nothing to do with sportmanshift, I guess,compared with a deliberate execution on which you can give to the poor fox a chance, when .......you miss the shot. Now that,s sportmanship ! Once you ; control; the foxes, the rabbits nr goes up becomming pests as well. It is a ;controled; sportmanship , right? What you think?? Bill Really??? If I shoot more foxes the rabbit numbers will go up??? Excellent, more sport for me :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.007 Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) If you are considering them pest, which are not, knowing how many gnawers they are eating each year, including rabbits. why not just poison them, instead to execute them. Poisonning is not a human treatment ,by your standards and has nothing to do with sportmanshift, I guess,compared with a deliberate execution on which you can give to the poor fox a chance, when .......you miss the shot. Now that,s sportmanship ! Once you ; control; the foxes, the rabbits nr goes up becomming pests as well. It is a ;controled; sportmanship , right? What you think?? Bill Bill here in the uk we do NOT use poison for fox control, or all of a sudden we would be left with not much wildlife and lots of folks family pets dead !! Best remedy for `vermin fox` is the bullet Edited January 23, 2015 by .007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Lets make this clear,I am not a fanatic environmentalist I am a day time hunter. What we are talking here is a matter of ethical problem. I want to learn from you, where is the fairplay in this lamping execution style of ; hunting; It,s like you put the headlight between the eyes of a deer and push the gas pedal. Can somebody bring some arguments in favor of lamping, from an ethical point of view??? Bill With vermin control there is no essence of "fairplay", the object is to despatch the vermin as humanely and efficiently as possible. As I said before, foxes are more active at night, hence the need for lamping (thats the "efficiency" bit). You comparison with running over a deer at night is laughable. I can only assume this is all a big wind-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Lets make this clear,I am not a fanatic environmentalist I am a day time hunter. What we are talking here is a matter of ethical problem. I want to learn from you, where is the fairplay in this lamping execution style of ; hunting; It,s like you put the headlight between the eyes of a deer and push the gas pedal. Can somebody bring some arguments in favor of lamping, from an ethical point of view??? Bill I am guessing since you dont show an address, that you may reside somewhere other than England ? If thats true there would perhaps be more interest in your viewpoint. My guess is the USA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) What is the deal to put the lights between the eyes of a standing animal and pull the trigger??What I am missing here ??I call foxes day time and I give them a chance if they catch a scent of mine on the wind or a movement. I am happy with that.The fox gets my admiration and I end up with a bitter smile.Getlemen never should hunt night time, that,s for poachers.BillStick to shooting "orange clays mate!!!!" Can't you see the black ones in daylight??? Each to their own but come on pal!!! Atb Flynny Edited January 23, 2015 by flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 A lamped fox still has the same ability to smell you as a day time fox that Is shot, it's not as easy as going out at night with a big light or nightvision equipment and shooting everything you come across, foxes are a clever animal and yes deserve respect but they are a pest species, as already stated we put a lot of time, money and effort into producing some or the best game shooting in the world and foxes need to be controlled to do this, as well as to benifit all other wildlife and ground nesting birds. Please do research lamping and the reasons behind it. Lamping is a legal and very humain way of pest control, the number 1 concern of any person taking foxes is killing the fox cleanly and humainly. Regards richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclay Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 From an ethical point of view, lamping and night hunting is not acceptable in many EU countries. like it was considered in UK before 1948. Once a victim is blinded, looses vision ,orientation and the chance to save his own life. A political decision changed the status of the fox from game to pest. How subjective is that! Based on that act, the foxes are already condamed to dead , You put foxes along rats !!. I guess that is offensive if you are a true hunter and not just a killer. There are other ( human) forms of fox controlling , like driving, using dogs, day time calling, over the bait.( without blinding them) In fact everything comes down between you and that poor hopless victim. Sportmanship? I don,t think so. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Your argument that chasing foxes with dogs, driving them towards waiting guns, shooting them over baited areas, or even day time calling, is more "sporting" than night shooting is foolish. At least two of your suggestions is claimed to produce prolonged stress to the animals, in being chased for possibly long periods and I don't see anything especially "sporting" about putting out food and shooting the animal that comes to eat it. All these methods may be efficient and effective, but certainly no more "sporting" than night shooting. Why do you differentiate between rats and foxes, both are vermin and need to be controlled (in an effective and humane way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I'm not sure if you are aware but this video is using night vision equipment which uses an infrared illuminator or laser, the fox is in now way blinded as you put it it wouldn't even know the hunter is there, death is swift and painless the fox has no idear of what is about to happen and is going about its business as it would on any other night. Please research the subject, I'm not in anyway trying to cause an argument I am simply trying to get you to understand how and why we have to control foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I'm not sure if you are aware but this video is using night vision equipment which uses an infrared illuminator or laser, the fox is in now way blinded as you put it it wouldn't even know the hunter is there, death is swift and painless the fox has no idear of what is about to happen and is going about its business as it would on any other night. Please research the subject, I'm not in anyway trying to cause an argument I am simply trying to get you to understand how and why we have to control foxes. Keep on doing what you do well mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclay Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 cranfield, by definition hunting is a stessfull thing for any animal. The ethical problem is to give him a chance to save his life and nothing else. In all of my examples of ; controlling; foxes, the fox has a chance and that,s all about sportmanship! Regards Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 The foxes in the video had no idea they were being hunted , or at risk, there was no stress involved. There is no "ethical" problem, the objective is to kill the animal humanely and efficiently, as I have previously mentioned. Lets agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 cranfield, by definition hunting is a stessfull thing for any animal.The ethical problem is to give him a chance to save his life and nothing else.In all of my examples of ; controlling; foxes, the fox has a chance and that,s all about sportmanship!RegardsBill I really cannot see what your trying to get at, if for instance you had a rat in your kitchen what would you do... Kill it. Fox shooting is not about sport is about control and this needs doing at every oppertunity given. Have you researched the subject? If not please do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 From an ethical point of view, lamping and night hunting is not acceptable in many EU countries. like it was considered in UK before 1948. Once a victim is blinded, looses vision ,orientation and the chance to save his own life. A political decision changed the status of the fox from game to pest. How subjective is that! Based on that act, the foxes are already condamed to dead , You put foxes along rats !!. I guess that is offensive if you are a true hunter and not just a killer. There are other ( human) forms of fox controlling , like driving, using dogs, day time calling, over the bait.( without blinding them) In fact everything comes down between you and that poor hopless victim. Sportmanship? I don,t think so. Bill what do you call a fox that get's into a chicken run and kills everything in there just cause it can then only take one away to eat leaving the rest dead, yes i would call fox vermin and place it alongside rats colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) cranfield, by definition hunting is a stessfull thing for any animal.The ethical problem is to give him a chance to save his life and nothing else.In all of my examples of ; controlling; foxes, the fox has a chance and that,s all about sportmanship!RegardsBill Edited January 24, 2015 by reggiegun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew f Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 What is the deal to put the lights between the eyes of a standing animal and pull the trigger?? What I am missing here ?? I call foxes day time and I give them a chance if they catch a scent of mine on the wind or a movement. I am happy with that.The fox gets my admiration and I end up with a bitter smile. Getlemen never should hunt night time, that,s for poachers. Bill most of the shooting community are poachers then they don't exactly sit still when a lamp is put on them. Not hard to get the wind right set up a caller and lie down with a bipod is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Don't feed the troll ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.007 Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Don't feed the troll ! digger the usa way is different bud, they got 100+miles between pads, so they think its sweet to poison areas?? no wild life for years!! when they go out to shoot in some spots they are released from a cage loads of footage on net anyway how about saying fox shooting 8 was OK FOX SHOOTING 9 on its way Edited January 24, 2015 by .007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 digger the usa way is different bud, they got 100+miles between pads, so they think its sweet to poison areas?? no wild life for years!! when they go out to shoot in some spots they are released from a cage loads of footage on net anyway how about saying fox shooting 8 was OK FOX SHOOTING 9 on its way it wasnt just ok - it was ****** awesome !! see what i did there ^^, most yank seem to live for the A word, all will be forgiven now, you'l see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 digger the usa way is different bud, they got 100+miles between pads, so they think its sweet to poison areas?? no wild life for years!! when they go out to shoot in some spots they are released from a cage loads of footage on net anyway how about saying fox shooting 8 was OK FOX SHOOTING 9 on its way it wasnt just ok - it was ****** awesome !! see what i did there ^^, most yank seem to live for the A word, all will be forgiven now, you'l see I would stick with ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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