Paddy Galore! Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 That's not what I said. What I said was there is a theory which states that if people feel a violent revulsion to gays it's perhaps because they have a deep-seated fear that they might actually be one themselves. I didn't claim it was my theory. Perhaps our deepest fears and our darkest most secret desires are two sides of the same coin...who knows? But like I said, it's just a theory. I mean, don't let it worry you...or anything it's neither fear or desire, maybe some people feel revulsion of the "act" of homosexuality, nothing more nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 That's not what I said. What I said was there is a theory which states that if people feel a violent revulsion to gays it's perhaps because they have a deep-seated fear that they might actually be one themselves. I didn't claim it was my theory. Perhaps our deepest fears and our darkest most secret desires are two sides of the same coin...who knows? But like I said, it's just a theory. I mean, don't let it worry you...or anything Also known as Cardinal Keith syndrome 😂http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_O%27Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 All this talk about gays reminds me...the weather's a bit **** at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Like I said it was my brothers take on it from doing sociology, I'm not saying he's right all I'm saying is the way he told me made sense especially when he went on about feral children and how they take on the characteristics of who they were raised with.But thanks for showing some different views. Russ So let me get this right, a child takes on the characteristics of the environment and the people they were raised with . So my Son was born when i was in the Army as a Soldier,so that's a Military environment,a large percentage of my in laws and my family are sport mad, including representing Wales at athletics and Rugby,I left the Army when he was about 6,I then became a bailiff and later a sheriffs officer,shooting is a hobby. So given the above do you think there is a possibility that my Son is gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 sex education at 5 or 6 feels a bit young let them be kids for a few years 10 or 11 feels about right as for the gay debate each to their own live & let live, i have never tried it just in case i liked it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 So let me get this right, a child takes on the characteristics of the environment and the people they were raised with . So my Son was born when i was in the Army as a Soldier,so that's a Military environment,a large percentage of my in laws and my family are sport mad, including representing Wales at athletics and Rugby,I left the Army when he was about 6,I then became a bailiff and later a sheriffs officer,shooting is a hobby. So given the above do you think there is a possibility that my Son is gay? No but I think there's a possibility you're out for an argument.sorry to disappoint you but that's not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 No but I think there's a possibility you're out for an argument.sorry to disappoint you but that's not for me. Sorry to disappoint you,but you have put a hypothesis forward i asked a question on the basis of your/your brothers hypothesis ,and wanted to know if you thought my Son would be gay on the information given all of which is true. When my son was about 16 he told myself and his Mum he was gay.so your hypothesis falls on the first hurdle.it is not something based on the environment and the people they are raised with,it is in their genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 How he explained it to me it wasnt as black and white as that, and it made sense to me the way he explained it. I'm not saying he's right and I'm not saying you're wrong but if you can give me some evidence supporting it's in the genes I'll take that on board. I'm sorry I took your post the wrong way. Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) How he explained it to me it wasnt as black and white as that, and it made sense to me the way he explained it. I'm not saying he's right and I'm not saying you're wrong but if you can give me some evidence supporting it's in the genes I'll take that on board. I'm sorry I took your post the wrong way. Russ Scientists are working on it ,but funding and the complexities of finding markers in dna is making it slow. http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality By the way,my other son matches your hypothesis and is in the Army in the Royal Military Police,but this is not down to what his enviroment was just that he wanted to be a military copper,go figure. Edited February 20, 2015 by welsh1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Lots of talk on this thread about homosexuals ,almost a coming out thread for some . It beggars belief to me that many homosexuals cannot understand that many heterosexuals find homosexuality ,perverse and abhorrent and do not think that it is normal . Many would say that it should be back in the closet were it belongs . Harnser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Lots of talk on this thread about homosexuals ,almost a coming out thread for some . It beggars belief to me that many homosexuals cannot understand that many heterosexuals find homosexuality ,perverse and abhorrent and do not think that it is normal . Many would say that it should be back in the closet were it belongs . Harnser And even more these days say be tolerant of people who are different to yourself,be it religion,colour ,sexuality,coming from Manchester,Scottish,you get my drift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 And even more these days say be tolerant of people who are different to yourself,be it religion,colour ,sexuality,coming from Manchester,Scottish,you get my drift. Tolerant absolutely, problem is the way things are going people are afraid ...... It could become mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Lots of talk on this thread about homosexuals ,almost a coming out thread for some . It beggars belief to me that many homosexuals cannot understand that many heterosexuals find homosexuality ,perverse and abhorrent and do not think that it is normal . Many would say that it should be back in the closet were it belongs . Harnser I think that most people in this thread can all be grateful though Harnser, that this view you describe is only held by the extreme minority in the civilised world and is dying out along with the intellectually retarded "people" that hold it. It won't be too long before the dinosaurs are extinct and all that's left is a civilisation of open-minded people who live and let live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I think that most people in this thread can all be grateful though Harnser, that this view you describe is only held by the extreme minority in the civilised world and is dying out along with the intellectually retarded "people" that hold it. It won't be too long before the dinosaurs are extinct and all that's left is a civilisation of open-minded people who live and let live. With a reply like that I would say you're as much a part of the problem of intolerance towards minorities as is the post to which you refer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) With a reply like that I would say you're as much a part of the problem of intolerance towards minorities as is the post to which you refer. Ah but you forget those that push the "tolerant" path are themselves intolerant and complete bigots to boot in that they refuse rather than simply fail to recognise that some find this subject repulsive. And as for the statement that when the dinosaurs have gone we will have a live and let live civilisation statement MY god is the news read at all by some?I would suggest that civilisation has never ever been so far from that unrealistic pipe dream. KW Edited February 21, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 With a reply like that I would say you're as much a part of the problem of intolerance towards minorities as is the post to which you refer. I think you'll find it is intolerance of intolerance, which is quite a different thing. Accepting intolerance allows societies that we have seen many tines in the past such as the Southern states of America or Germany in the last century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 For me it would by hypocritical to berate certain religious groups who promote supremacy, intolerance and bigotry and then hold views like this myself just because I don't like someone else's life choices. IMHO you can do as you wish so long as you don't cause 'harm' ( Mills sense of harm). It's on this basis I would also curtail the actions of religions with a tendency to intolerance and hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) I think you'll find it is intolerance of intolerance, which is quite a different thing. Accepting intolerance allows societies that we have seen many tines in the past such as the Southern states of America or Germany in the last century. So by tolerating intolerance we become intolerant, talk about spin to twist your own mantra,on this site we have had recently seen the intonation that if you want to vote for an alternative party you are a brown shirt, if you dont want to see unfettered unneeded immigration you are a racist, and now if you genuinely find the issue of teaching kids a subject that I personally feel they dont need at such an early age I am an out of touch uncivilised dinosaur, And then the thread gets hijacked to in order to give an insidious push to normalise a trait which to me personally I find offensive, and my feelings on it apparently liken me to a Nazi or a south American despot? Good stuff keep it up. KW Edited February 21, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I think that most people in this thread can all be grateful though Harnser, that this view you describe is only held by the extreme minority in the civilised world and is dying out along with the intellectually retarded "people" that hold it. It won't be too long before the dinosaurs are extinct and all that's left is a civilisation of open-minded people who live and let live. I would suggest that Harnser is pretty much spot on. My own feelings are that, thankfully, whilst the vast majority accept and no longer discriminate against homosexuals, many are fed up to the teeth with the insaciable onslaught of the myth that there are three sexes; men, women and gays. We are bombarded with this indoctrination, everywhere from teaching tiny tots in schools to almost every television program I seem to switch on. Is it not time,as Harnser suggests, that such goings on were shut, firmly, back in the closet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I would suggest that Harnser is pretty much spot on. My own feelings are that, thankfully, whilst the vast majority accept and no longer discriminate against homosexuals, many are fed up to the teeth with the insaciable onslaught of the myth that there are three sexes; men, women and gays. We are bombarded with this indoctrination, everywhere from teaching tiny tots in schools to almost every television program I seem to switch on. Is it not time,as Harnser suggests, that such goings on were shut, firmly, back in the closet. SO back in the closet,how about making it a criminal offence and jailing them as well or flogging, or how about sending them to the colonies. Sorry that was the past wasn't it ,most people are in 2015 not 1815. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Sorry that was the past wasn't it ,most people are in 2015 not 1815. I think that unless you believe that the tardis exists we are all in 2015 just for some who have the intellect to recognise that we are being steered down an ever more diverse ah hem lift that for you sir path,and which we dont actually like or want, we now have little or no choice on the matter, so as for the live and let live comments where do they come in for those who dont want to choose the path to the left, oh I forgot anyone who thinks different is a bigot. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Accepting intolerance allows societies that we have seen many tines in the past such as the Southern states of America or Germany in the last century. And yet we tolerate societies which persecute gays, treat women as second class citizens and are intolerant of other races and religions than them on a day to day basis. Indeed we promote them, fund them and do business with them. But then to call them uncivilised and intellectually retarded would make us intolerant I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I think you'll find it is intolerance of intolerance, which is quite a different thing. He understands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I think that unless you believe that the tardis exists we are all in 2015 just for some who have the intellect to recognise that we are being steered down an ever more diverse ah hem lift that for you sir path,and which we dont actually like or want, we now have little or no choice on the matter, so as for the live and let live comments where do they come in for those who dont want to choose the path to the left, oh I forgot anyone who thinks different is a bigot. KW The only person on here who thinks you might be a bigot seems to be you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 He understands! If you were talking about me, no I don't understand and have explained my thinking in post #123. I am however quite intolerant to your intolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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