timclarke Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Please could I check if my understanding is correct as far as delivering guns if someone asks me to. I run a small courier company and I have a shotgun licence. This would only apply if either myself or one of my drivers with a shotgun licence was doing the delivery by the way. I think I can deliver shotguns but not firearms as my shotgun licence allows me temporary custody of the weapon without recording it on my certificate. I think going from one gun dealer to another gun dealer would be OK but are there any other points it would be legal to go to and from? Any feedback appreciated. Many thanks! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Ask BASC or your FEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I had teague chokes pick my gun up and after the work was done it was delivered back to me, wouldn't have thought the van driver had an sgc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I had teague chokes pick my gun up and after the work was done it was delivered back to me, wouldn't have thought the van driver had an sgc RFD employees don't need to, they are covered by their employers whilst working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would have thought as its business you'd need more than a SGC, you need advice I suggest you speak to BASC or the GTA then approach your FEO if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 You have the 72 hour period where you can have a gun of somebody without notifying the police as long as you have a licence but do not know how you would get on as a courier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 RFD employees don't need to, they are covered by their employers whilst working. So I take it tnt are rfd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timclarke Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks to all. I spoke to the local FEO who was very clear that a courier couldn't do it, unless the individual driver had a shotgun certificate. Looks like I'll have to drive up to MK! I don't understand how TNT can deliver shotguns or firearms on that basis though as TNT clearly aren't a dealer are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 There are exemptions for carriers it's in the firearms act. (1)A person carrying on the business of an auctioneer, carrier or warehouseman, or a servant of such a person, may, without holding a certificate, have in his possession a firearm or ammunition in the ordinary course of that business. (4)It is not an offence under section 3(2) of this Act for a carrier or warehouseman, or a servant of a carrier or warehouseman, to deliver any firearm or ammunition in the ordinary course of his business or employment as such. The question is how do you go about being a carrier, I assume there is some paperwork over and above just being a normal courier service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timclarke Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Interesting! I shall find out what "carrier" means! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timclarke Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Interestingly, I just spoke to another FEO and he was very clear that it is OK for a courier company to delivery a shotgun with a non certificated driver but that most companies won't do it because of the responsibility. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 It makes sense if you read the act, if this was not the case then if you are travelling abroad with your gun, finding airport baggage handlers and a pilot with a certificate would be hard. As some found out coming back from Dubai the gun does not always travel back on the same plane and does come into contact with people that don’t have a certificate whilst in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would ask if it would be cost effective for a small courier company.parcel force or tnt may charge say £25 to take a gun from one end of the country to the other as they have network.but I presume you would be doing direct single van delivery so in reality would price yourself out of the market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 So I take it tnt are rfd? No, but I was refering to Teague who are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 The wording says servant of the carrier/rfd....... So by default tnt staff become "employees" of the rfd as they are paid by the rfd (indirectly) to deliver to another rfd. I remember being in a gun shop in milton keynes, chatting to the owner...... A tnt and a parcel force guy both brought in gun shaped packages, asked for signatures and left the packages on the floor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 The wording says servant of the carrier/rfd....... So by default tnt staff become "employees" of the rfd as they are paid by the rfd (indirectly) to deliver to another rfd. I remember being in a gun shop in milton keynes, chatting to the owner...... A tnt and a parcel force guy both brought in gun shaped packages, asked for signatures and left the packages on the floor Not quite. A carrier is exempt in their own right. As an example, a certificate holder can legally post a S1 firearm to a RFD, therefore in such a case the carrier is acting for the certificate holder, not the RFD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Charlie T .... Same difference but other way around, employed by someone legally entitled to posess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Charlie T .... Same difference but other way around, employed by someone legally entitled to posess. No, you are missing the point. They are not covered by anyone, they are permitted by law to do so in their own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Ok, and it makes sense I suppose, they don't have real access as its packaged and they are accountable for its whereabouts etc...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 The wording says servant of the carrier/rfd....... So by default tnt staff become "employees" of the rfd as they are paid by the rfd (indirectly) to deliver to another rfd. I remember being in a gun shop in milton keynes, chatting to the owner...... A tnt and a parcel force guy both brought in gun shaped packages, asked for signatures and left the packages on the floor In the old days I knew of a well known bonded carrier leave a dozen glocks on the gun shop doorstep. That WAS fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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