loriusgarrulus Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Laid up at the moment with bronchitis again. I hate this winter. OH went out and got 6 crows today much to the shepherds delight who was out in the fields with the sheep. Twelve lambs born so far. The Daystates can be turned down for the barn shooting which is great. Going stir crazy. Just got a Pitch black NV and itching to try it out. Edited March 19, 2015 by loriusgarrulus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 "I believe there have been cases where anti-shooters have approached roost shooters and asked them to demonstrate that they are acting within General License conditions." Would not a polite form of Foxtrot Oscar be the reasonable response? Far to many people these days seem to believe that they are stakeholders in other people's business. If the anti is effectively a member of the general public (hopefully on a footpath - but unlikely to be if they are near a shooter) and you are within your rights to be on that land shooting then they have no business challenging you. Laid up at the moment with bronchitis again. I hate this winter.OH went out and got 6 crows today much to the shepherds delight who was out in the fields with the sheep. Twelve lambs born so far. Going stir crazy. Just got a NV and itching to try it out. well done - what new toy did you get?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Pitch black Field master. Day and night vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Interesting NV, that's a new one on me. Not a unit I know. What are you putting it on? You're early for lambing up there aren't you? Things are imminent here but I haven't seen anything born yet. Talking to a farm manager mate tonight and he's looking forward to a long 3 weeks imminently. A friend up in Caithness is on average about 6 weeks behind us! Just this week all the black flappies are out on my place having been thin on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Daystate Mk4. Weather is pretty mild on the Cheshire plains. Shepherd has got half the flock lambing now and the rest in June. One ewe gave birth while OH was there this afternoon. The crows were all feeding on the grass field next to the sheep field. It had just been slurried. :( http://www.pitchblacknightvision.co.uk/ Edited March 19, 2015 by loriusgarrulus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 As far as I can see, to be operating lawfully, you must be able to show that you are operating to: (1) Prevent serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters, or (2) Prevent the spread of disease. MAFF concluded that reducing the general population of pigeons was a waste of time and that the only way was to protect individual crops as and when they were being attacked. Under the General License you have to show that you are satisfied that non-lethal means have not been affective or are impractical to provide protection for the crop. I believe there have been cases where anti-shooters have approached roost shooters and asked them to demonstrate that they are acting within General License conditions. That doesn't make it site specific as far as I can see, especially bearing in mind the post of Charlie T in response to the above. Just to throw another mix into the equation, the Countryside and Wildlife Act doesn't allow the shooting of rabbits with shotguns, according to Cumbria licensing authority, but that's for another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Daystate Mk4. Weather is pretty mild on the Cheshire plains. Shepherd has got half the flock lambing now and the rest in June. One ewe gave birth while OH was there this afternoon. The crows were all feeding on the grass field next to the sheep field. It had just been slurried. :( http://www.pitchblacknightvision.co.uk/ Same here. Oodles of black things on sheep farm at moment as most fields are covered in slurry ( makes for a very smelly terrier at times, but thankfully I've trained her to sleep on OH's side of the bed ) and we may have a decoying day this weekend. Landowner hates the things. He once had a prize winning tupp blinded by corvids after it got on its back; by the time he discovered it the damage had been done. Lambing hasn't started on our rough shot yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 OH is lucky his springer is not interested in sheep or slurry. He was a bit miffed OH wouldn't let him retrieve the shot crows. You could try the large wet wipes for a quick freshen up of the terrier before bed time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 You could try the large wet wipes for a quick freshen up of the terrier before bed time. She gets a scrub down outside with a brush in a soapy bucket. If I can dupe her into coming into the parlour, she gets a freshen up with hose at farm prior to getting in vehicle, but she is very wary of hoses ever since she rolled in a decomposing salmon as a pup and I tied her to the garden table to hose her down. Luckily she loves the river though, so I have no trouble getting her in there after a smelly session prior to coming home. Very few woodpigeons around up here (not enough to warrant setting up a hide anyhow) 'til harvest time, so it's corvids all the way until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I have no recollection of MAFF ever suggesting that reducing the population was a waste of time Were you receiving the Shooting Times in the 60's? There was a lot about it in there at the time, from what I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Therefore, if I decide, quite correctly for my situation, that roost shooting is the only practical way to reduce numbers and thus reduce my crop damage I am within the law. And what if you haven't got any crops to protect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 used to shoot over two grass farms became to dangerous as both farms went into horse livery in a big way .Pity as one had free range fox food . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I don't really understand why you are trying to complicate what is a straightforward matter. It's the EU and the law that has made it complicated. I don't like it, and nor should anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 This is just thought maybe someone has the answer as you know a land owner has an obligation to control rabbits to help protect a neighbour's crops what about pigeons on a flight line to a field of rape or any other crop the neighbour has . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 And what if you haven't got any crops to protect? There are very, very few farms that don't produce a crop of some sort. It's the EU and the law that has made it complicated. I don't like it, and nor should anyone else. Which EU laws overide the GL issued by NE.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 There are very, very few farms that don't produce a crop of some sort. Which EU laws overide the GL issued by NE.. Not all shooting takes place on farms. I think you'll find that the only way to allow pigeon(and other bird) control under EU rules was to put them on General License. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Even grass/clover is a crop, either for grazing, hay or silage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I am also asked to control pigeons as the get in one landowners calf rearing barns....scoff loads of calf food and then carp into the feed troughs giving his calves "scour" so "protection of livestock" this doesnt restrict me to only shhoting in and around the barns either...If i roost em out up in the wood 800 m away then the same reasoning applies...since reducing the general population is required... interesting question though is this....are we allowed ot control corvids on conservation grounds... (since corvids (along with greys ) are a major source of predation on song birds??? the wood i shoot is a bit like the aegean stables as far as corvids are concerned... the faster I shoot em the more there are ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 just answered my own question ...yes you can contol corvids on conservation grounds..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Not all shooting takes place on farms. I think you'll find that the only way to allow pigeon(and other bird) control under EU rules was to put them on General License. There you go, you've answered the question. EU law does not override the GL. I say again, you are overcomplicating the issue and looking for pitfalls that are not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 There you go, you've answered the question. EU law does not override the GL. I say again, you are overcomplicating the issue and looking for pitfalls that are not there. So why wasn't the Woodpigeon on General License before the EU made it necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 So why wasn't the Woodpigeon on General License before the EU made it necessary? Out of interest have you never shot pigeon on stubble ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Out of interest have you never shot pigeon on stubble ? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) So why wasn't the Woodpigeon on General License before the EU made it necessary? Aren't you missing the point? The GL circumvents the EU so in effect the former over-rides the latter. Edited March 20, 2015 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Aren't you missing the point? The GL circumvents the EU so in effect the former over-rides the latter. Not only is he missing the point it seems he is also missing some good shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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