grrclark Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I think that Hague was leader of the party too soon FM and lost his opportunity. Had he gotten the top job when DC did I think he would have been a very good leader and a good PM. He is one of the better dressers in the commons too and things like that are important, the cut of one's suit says a lot about their character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yes that always amused me too...had the pleasure of conversing with Wedgie once in a hotel in Bath..he was an extremely articulate and intelligent orator..I think he would of made a very good PM of any denomination. Sadly apart from the late John Smith and perhaps Will Hague we have had no real Statesmen in politics for many years. All of the current crop are an insipid lot. I think that is only partially true as politicians aren't allowed to show themselves as they are, they are so prepped and media savvy that they are unable to be spontaneous, which makes it hard to see any of their true qualities that could make them statesmen. I was with George Osborne a couple of days ago as he did some dull, over controlled electioneering stunt that was so choreographed and so ultra-careful so as not to do, say, eat or touch anything for fear the papers made some big drama out of it that the whole exercise was totally pointless. To be fair to him he was as much herded around as anyone else but he did overrule the press officers and do things he wasn't supposed - he did nothing remotely interesting but the panic on the press officers faces was very revealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I like the cut of your jib sir! I find it hilarious that Wedgie gave up hit title but not his money. I thought that Benn was as daft as a brush, thats why I liked him, we dont know what he did with his money but giving it away would be beyond daft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I think that is only partially true as politicians aren't allowed to show themselves as they are, they are so prepped and media savvy that they are unable to be spontaneous, which makes it hard to see any of their true qualities that could make them statesmen. I was with George Osborne a couple of days ago as he did some dull, over controlled electioneering stunt that was so choreographed and so ultra-careful so as not to do, say, eat or touch anything for fear the papers made some big drama out of it that the whole exercise was totally pointless. To be fair to him he was as much herded around as anyone else but he did overrule the press officers and do things he wasn't supposed - he did nothing remotely interesting but the panic on the press officers faces was very revealing. Yes its this prepping, grooming, and media enhancement that I find so disturbing, I would vote for anyone that just said what they thought, or at least listen to em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I think, like all good champagne socialists, Wedgie kept the money. Don't forget that in their world, everyone is equal it's just some are more equal than others. Hague is a good guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I thought that Benn was as daft as a brush, thats why I liked him, we dont know what he did with his money but giving it away would be beyond daft So you fell for his act as well then? Anthony Wedgewood Benn was no fool at all. He must have sat down very early in his privileged upbringing and decided how to con as many people as he could, and he did a very good job of it. Ever the defender of honest working people, he was never of the sort himself. I watched him many a time on the tv and had to marvel at his barefaced cheek and two-faced ramblings. In this regard he was a superb, top-notch politician, and one of the many reasons why most have a healthy scepticism of the ilk. He was always in the front of Ban the Bomb Marches, and supporting the downtrodden, and other such fashionable events loved by the wealthy lefties. In this regard Nigel Farage is of the same mould, but you have to trust what people do in life, not what they lengthily pontificate about. And that's another story - cue the responses please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 So you fell for his act as well then? Anthony Wedgewood Benn was no fool at all. He must have sat down very early in his privileged upbringing and decided how to con as many people as he could, and he did a very good job of it. Ever the defender of honest working people, he was never of the sort himself. I watched him many a time on the tv and had to marvel at his barefaced cheek and two-faced ramblings. In this regard he was a superb, top-notch politician, and one of the many reasons why most have a healthy scepticism of the ilk. He was always in the front of Ban the Bomb Marches, and supporting the downtrodden, and other such fashionable events loved by the wealthy lefties. In this regard Nigel Farage is of the same mould, but you have to trust what people do in life, not what they lengthily pontificate about. And that's another story - cue the responses please. I dont fall for anyones act thats why I loathed thatcher at least Benn was harmless and i certainly dont trust Farage or any of the other puppets that are said to represent us come to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Saw the Farage sketch on Newzoids last night, so funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 at least Benn was harmless Don't fool yourself, benn was highly intelligent and pulled a lot of strings in the political arena,you don't stay at the top of politics for as long as he did without being very shrewd and clever.He also recorded or videoed every conversation he had with people creating a huge archive,you can bet that any slip up by others was logged and filed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I dont fall for anyones act thats why I loathed thatcher at least Benn was harmless and i certainly dont trust Farage or any of the other puppets that are said to represent us come to that So you don't fall for anyone's act? Well, that must make you pretty well unique, as most people in their lifetime have fallen for the silken tongues of con men and politicians. Some would say that it's a vital part of the learning through life process. I congratulate you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 So you don't fall for anyone's act? Well, that must make you pretty well unique, as most people in their lifetime have fallen for the silken tongues of con men and politicians. Some would say that it's a vital part of the learning through life process. I congratulate you sir. I have fallen for the act of a couple of women in my life as far as politicians are concerned the only one I may have believed was Churchill , Benn at least outwardly appeared to give a damn but perhaps its easy to give a damn if your rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) You must remember Benn's lovely big house on the south shore of the Blackwater, the one where he had the right of way along the sea wall removed. man of the people? My hairy backside he was. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-515178/Why-Hilary-Benns-family-home-saved-sea-nearby-harbour-abandoned.html As for Evan Davis last night! I have fallen for the act of a couple of women in my life as far as politicians are concerned the only one I may have believed was Churchill , Benn at least outwardly appeared to give a damn but perhaps its easy to give a damn if your rich. Edited April 23, 2015 by Penelope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 You must remember Benn's lovely big house on the south shore of the Blackwater, the one where he had the right of way along the sea wall removed. man of the people? My hairy backside he was. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-515178/Why-Hilary-Benns-family-home-saved-sea-nearby-harbour-abandoned.html As for Evan Davis last night! Indeed I lived in Steeple for a couple of years and had my boat in Mayland creek, I remember Benns house and a sign proclaiming a nature reserve but cant remember the sea wall being shut, it used to be a great spot for bass right in front of his house, what was thatchers house like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 It bore an incredible resemblance to No. 10 Downing street... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) It bore an incredible resemblance to No. 10 Downing street... That would be her tied cottage then Her old place in Belgravia went on the market 2014 for 35 million, mind you, a lot more than the 4.5 million she paid for it (i think) still thats a wicked mortgage for an un-employed prime minister Edited April 23, 2015 by islandgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 That would be her tied cottage then Her old place in Belgravia went on the market 2014 for 35 million, mind you, a lot more than the 4.5 million she paid for it (i think) still thats a wicked mortgage for an un-employed prime minister no problem she paid if of with all the bungs i expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 no problem she paid if of with all the bungs i expect Her husband Dennis was a rich man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Her husband Dennis was a rich man he must of had a few bungs in his time to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 he must of had a few bungs in his time to MBE and mentioned in despatches twice,was a millionaire before he married his second wife.Whatever you may think about the man behind Margaret he was self made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Whatever you may think about the man behind Margaret he was self made. Badly, out of old plasticine!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Badly, out of old plasticine!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 MBE and mentioned in despatches twice,was a millionaire before he married his second wife.Whatever you may think about the man behind Margaret he was self made. Good point well made, he was big in Burmah Oil IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Its hard to believe that they wernt able to use their not inconsiderable influence to make a few bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Unlike Tony Blair, he really was a Tory in all but name..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Unlike Tony Blair, he really was a Tory in all but name..... thats true tony was as tory as they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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