Fuddster Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Guys, I'm debating a venture into homeloading 12b shells-looking on previous posts a price of around £100 per 1000 was mentioned but that was with home made shot. has anybody worked out a price per shell using bought components? cheers all F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Having done it for many years,(Years Ago). it isn`t worth messing around with Lead Shot. Even Loading Bismuth, I saved Only 1/2 p Per Cartridge, Special loads for 10 Bore Etc, Maybe. But even allowing for Long Range Low Velocity Loads, Trying to get the optimum loads is Time Consuming. Yes You may say its the satisfaction of doing your own loads. But if Looking for Savings, 12 Gauge don`t even bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted April 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 cheers sub. I'd be looking only loading steel-cheapest shells work at £57 per 250 when buying a 1000. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 180-220 /k seems to be doable. no reusing hulls, primers,powder,wads shot..... cheap 32g steel, tecna, 32g steel shot # 2 or bbs..... duck / geese respectfully. after that 1400fps + gets real expensive.... its something like £50 more every 50-100fps..... (alliant steel etc..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I can load 20 gauge for around a 1/3 of factory shells when I get free lead to turn in to shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 breakdown of costs.... 28gram load 3.4p-4p primer 9p powder 1.8pwad 8.4plead**** lead shot / powder seems to be the deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 odd question guys, How do you make your own shot ? I am currently looking for someone to make me a box of: * 12g 30gram BB`s (25) * 20g 30gram BB`s (25) I have empty hulls and am happy to pay but its finding someone that can do it locally and also that they will actually do it if they say they will. Theres a guy in our shoot who am going to approach but if hes not interested then am stumped ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 odd question guys, How do you make your own shot ? I am currently looking for someone to make me a box of: * 12g 30gram BB`s (25) * 20g 30gram BB`s (25) I have empty hulls and am happy to pay but its finding someone that can do it locally and also that they will actually do it if they say they will. Theres a guy in our shoot who am going to approach but if hes not interested then am stumped ! ATB Matt Any reason for wanting 30gram BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 breakdown of costs.... 28gram load 3.4p-4p primer 9p powder 1.8pwad 8.4plead**** lead shot / powder seems to be the deciding factor. 20 gauge. powder 3.7p wad 1.9p primer 1.4p lead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 20 gauge. powder 3.7p wad 1.9p primer 1.4p lead 0 £80/k. Shhhhh don't tell anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 £80/k. Shhhhh don't tell anyone. You mean £70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 You mean £70 Shhhhhhh No wonder I ain't very good atat maths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10gaugewannabee Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 it really depends what your expecting from reloading and or willing or able to do so say your buying new parts to make your own , well you are never going to get any where near a factories buying ower and machinary you will proberably find that one person in a factory on one machine churns out so many they loose count, lol economics of scale really do kick in here the mark up in price on shells is very very low for the clay and fun stuff 28gm 7s say, where you can get a better money deal is reloading for larger loads or with home made shot, now i can make if i wanted to 20 to 50 kg of shot a day by setting up the pots and so forth and going all day, 28gms in to say 25kg of home produced shot is roughly 900 shells and in december lead at a scrap dealer to buy was 40p a kilo when i brought some, plus what i have picked up call it a tenner for cash. i can cast if i buy the moulds (which i dont own) any thing from slugs at 1.5oz to number 8 shot that all so includes BB, 0000 and any thing in between powder is powder and primers are primers where we can save is cases or hulls and shot now at the local shoot this weekend i could have collected 3-5000 hulls from the bins inc boxs and the owners would have thanked me for taking them away for free even if they are just reloaded once or twice its still a cost saving so there ismoney to be saved but very very little for the hassle and outlay and add to that your time costs and you will find it veruy hard to justify want to me a mad scientist and invent the new perfect load for shooting pink footed left handed hefalumps with a left handed shooter and its reloading all the way, just because its cheaper does not mean its any less fun to do so your self and lastly the money thing only truely counts on 12 gauge, you cant buy 10 gauge whole and reloading is the only way the same with 6G4G and it makes a big difference with all the other loads too including .410 which this weekend i did collect 250 -3" used hulls for me to reload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Any reason for wanting 30gram BB? Yes, 30gram is plenty in my side-by-side 12bore and also for my 20g pump. They are just for when I go down to the pens incase I bump into Charlie ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 it really depends what your expecting from reloading and or willing or able to do so say your buying new parts to make your own , well you are never going to get any where near a factories buying ower and machinary you will proberably find that one person in a factory on one machine churns out so many they loose count, lol economics of scale really do kick in here the mark up in price on shells is very very low for the clay and fun stuff 28gm 7s say, where you can get a better money deal is reloading for larger loads or with home made shot, now i can make if i wanted to 20 to 50 kg of shot a day by setting up the pots and so forth and going all day, 28gms in to say 25kg of home produced shot is roughly 900 shells and in december lead at a scrap dealer to buy was 40p a kilo when i brought some, plus what i have picked up call it a tenner for cash. i can cast if i buy the moulds (which i dont own) any thing from slugs at 1.5oz to number 8 shot that all so includes BB, 0000 and any thing in between powder is powder and primers are primers where we can save is cases or hulls and shot now at the local shoot this weekend i could have collected 3-5000 hulls from the bins inc boxs and the owners would have thanked me for taking them away for free even if they are just reloaded once or twice its still a cost saving so there ismoney to be saved but very very little for the hassle and outlay and add to that your time costs and you will find it veruy hard to justify want to me a mad scientist and invent the new perfect load for shooting pink footed left handed hefalumps with a left handed shooter and its reloading all the way, just because its cheaper does not mean its any less fun to do so your self and lastly the money thing only truely counts on 12 gauge, you cant buy 10 gauge whole and reloading is the only way the same with 6G4G and it makes a big difference with all the other loads too including .410 which this weekend i did collect 250 -3" used hulls for me to reload Good deals can be had on primers and powder too if you know where to look. Powder can be had at £30 or less per kg and I paid £14 per K for my cx2000's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted April 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 lads-thanks for replying all good info to ponder. cheers fudds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 powder is powder and primers are primers where we can save is cases or hulls and shot: Not Strictly True: Primers come very HOT and FAST,,, So Does Powder: You have to be VERY PICKY where these are Concerned, Even the primers will put Pressures up a great Deal. And powders are even worse, with FAST burning powders and SLOW Burning Powders, For Normal Loads it is not worth it. One Mistake with even pressure on the powders will increase loads, Even the way it is crimped with add to it. Unless Loading Very SPECIAL Loads, Don`t bother. Stay safe Mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10gaugewannabee Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 powder is powder and primers are primers where we can save is cases or hulls and shot: Not Strictly True: Primers come very HOT and FAST,,, So Does Powder: You have to be VERY PICKY where these are Concerned, Even the primers will put Pressures up a great Deal. And powders are even worse, with FAST burning powders and SLOW Burning Powders, For Normal Loads it is not worth it. One Mistake with even pressure on the powders will increase loads, Even the way it is crimped with add to it. Unless Loading Very SPECIAL Loads, Don`t bother. Stay safe Mate. yes very true what i was meaning to say was in the general cost of reloading it is going to be the same as we would normally settle on a single load data set with a single choise of hull and load, with all things then being equal the only re oppurtunity to lower the costs is via the lead, unless you can construct wads or shot holders to save there i was not saying that the difefrent types styles and sorts or powders or the difference primers are the same as in specifics just as a generalisation for the point of discussion out of the hundreds if not thousands of different 12g reloading data sets on only use 8 seperate ones three case choices dictate which one of the 8 i use and its loading requirements. if i dont have those 3 specific cases i dont reload any thing else or change or alter the data set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Primer 0 Powder 0 Wad 0 Shot 0 Time..........well. I AM retired 0 Edited April 13, 2015 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Primer 0 Powder 0 Wad 0 Shot 0 Time..........well. I AM retired 0 I am a little behind you Primer 0 Powder 0 Wad. 1.6p Shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 i pay the comercial rate for stuff. but i have to use factory most of the time. reloading is fun, but it will put me in the poorhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Do any of you pick up used plastic wads and reuse them as I've seen loads that never opened after firing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 No. No point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Always fancied having ago at it but never got around to buying a Lee load all its not a money saving thing as I at the moment only shoot clays not got a perm yet I only shoot cheapies they do the job for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Always fancied having ago at it but never got around to buying a Lee load all its not a money saving thing as I at the moment only shoot clays not got a perm yet I only shoot cheapies they do the job for now maybe you can fund someone local to have a look / see? no cost input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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