shotguns on trains

[mr smith]

The Inverness sleeper was often used by lower end royalty,pretty sure some of these trips would have ended out on the hills in pursuit of something or other.Have seen a couple of chaps resplendent in their tweeds and gun slip on shoulder on the concourse of Edinburgh waverley.

Edited April 12, 2016 by mr smith

[Fatcatsplat]

I went up with a mate a few years ago, mainly for fishing, but got a bit of shooting in as well (God bless corporate entertainment!) and we went up on the sleeper as they were talking about taking it out of service. What a great way to travel - You leave the bar at the station, get on the train and having checked into your cabin.......go straight to the bar!!

 

Only 'cos you're in the sleeper, it's a proper bar with comfy chairs and everything, well, everything except food!! They had 2 of everything on the menu and the regulars knew that, so they were sitting for dinner by the time we pulled out of Euston. We thought we'd have a few more beers and eat after the rush, except all that was left by that time was the odd salad and packet of peanuts. Still, very pleased to say that we had drank them completely out of those silly travel sized bottles of red by the time we hit Crewe and had made a very good dent in their brandy just before the border - The 3 hours sleep I had before Aberdeen was well worth it, although the freshly microwaved bacon roll for breakfast was not!

[Dougy]

On the sleeper you actually have to hand your gun over on boarding and they lock it away for the journey while you get delightfully trashed in the bar (I may be speaking from experience - hic!!)

Wouldn't trust them with a roll of loo paper. Keep your hands on it.

[Fatcatsplat]

Wouldn't trust them with a roll of loo paper. Keep your hands on it.

Part of the rules of that particular train. They know exactly what a guncase looks like.

[Dougy]

Part of the rules of that particular train. They know exactly what a guncase looks like.

What TOC is that ?

[mr smith]

What TOC is that ?

Now depends on how long ago a few years is.Could be BR,National express,First and now Serco.Don't know about insisting on taking guns from passengers was never on the sleepers much spent a fair bit of time towing it about though.

Edited April 13, 2016 by mr smith

[Fatcatsplat]

I'm going back 5 years and was definitely part of the ticketing instructions.

 

Just had a look at the website and can't see anything there to back me up though!

 

And it was only in the cabined bit - Not in the cheap seats

Edited April 13, 2016 by Fatcatsplat

[mr smith]

I'm going back 5 years and was definitely part of the ticketing instructions.

 

Just had a look at the website and can't see anything there to back me up though!

 

And it was only in the cabined bit - Not in the cheap seats

That would have been First then,found this on a booking site.

 

Shotguns: If you're travelling north for the grouse season for example, shotguns can be carried by special arrangement as long as you have the necessary licence and comply with the licence requirements for transporting shotguns. You must have a single-berth cabin or be sharing with someone known to you. Your firearm certificate must be shown on boarding.

[Bobba]

That would have been First then,found this on a booking site.

Shotguns: If you're travelling north for the grouse season for example, shotguns can be carried by special arrangement as long as you have the necessary licence and comply with the licence requirements for transporting shotguns. You must have a single-berth cabin or be sharing with someone known to you. Your firearm certificate must be shown on boarding.

I know nothing about the train in question. Is it sleeper accommodation only? Or are there also seating arrangements? Because the TOC makes Interesting reading The penultimate para implies that if you haven't booked a cabin you can't take your shotgun. So those without a cabin can't take their guns?

[mr smith]

I know nothing about the train in question. Is it sleeper accommodation only? Or are there also seating arrangements? Because the TOC makes Interesting reading The penultimate para implies that if you haven't booked a cabin you can't take your shotgun. So those without a cabin can't take their guns?

Yeah sorry should have said this was from the page to book the Caledonian sleeper.

[ninja_fox]

This is what the railway bylaw says:

 

Potentially dangerous items

• Except with written permission from an Operator or an authorised person, no person shall bring with him or allow to remain on the railway any item which, in the opinion of an authorised person, may threaten, annoy, soil or damage any person or any property.
• If any person in charge of an item contrary to Byelaw 2(1) is asked by an authorised person to remove it and fails to do so immediately, it may be removed by or under the direction of an authorised person.

There is no specific mention of shotguns or firearms but i think that it's covered above. Seems to say to me that you can bring what you like, but if you're asked to get off you can't do anything about it.

 

However, the TFL rules are more specific:

 

1. A potentially dangerous item is an item which, in the reasonable opinion of an authorised person, may or may be used to threaten, annoy, soil or damage any person or any property. For the avoidance of doubt, a potentially dangerous item may include, but is not limited to:

   1. (i) a loaded weapon of any kind;

   2. (ii) any flammable, explosive or corrosive substance; and

   3. (iii) any item which is or may become dangerous.

So as long as your gun isn't loaded you should be ok (I will let someone else try that one before me though!)

[Scully]

So there you go; not a problem at all.

[Glenlivet]

On the sleeper you actually have to hand your gun over on boarding and they lock it away for the journey while you get delightfully trashed in the bar (I may be speaking from experience - hic!!)

I'd have thought this would constitute leaving your gun in the possession of an unlicensed person.

 

Unless the rail company has special provision?

[ozalid]

A bit off topic, but I remember well 50 years ago, as a 15 year old, changing buses to get to the farm where I had permission to shoot, with a DB hammer gun in a slip with me, I usually had a ferret in my pocket, which on warm days might get the odd wrinkled nose from folk sat next to me, nobody batted an eye at me having a gun, happier more enlightened times.