foxbuster Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Good result on the new perm Mike apart from the local nutter. Foosa ....how good was the pic at 190 paces ? Keep considering a photon but need to see one in the field. Is this one fitted with a doubler ? I've got the 6.5 Photon with doubler and I highly rate it. So long as you have a good quality IR torch I think you'll be well impressed. Still in the process of getting mounts/picatinny rails to fine tune the position of it on my T3. 200yrd shots are no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 RS another good result. Mike fun on your perm by the sound of it you just dont need the hassle. Great picture in the fog by the way Foosa three? thats just greedy. I was out last night and called one in from 400m but only had the girly rifle and with the wind and rain was reluctant to take the shot at 100m so tried to get closer and then heard a vixen calling out on the hill top. It was so loud I was wondering of someone else had a caller. Realised no one else would go out in that weather. Moved up the hill to reduce the distance and fox was gone had to be content with two rabbits. I need my new gun which looks like march now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racing snake Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Nice work Mike, Foosa. Can't beat the feeling of a new perm Mike, shame about the hassle though. Got a similar situation at one of mine. There's a house right in the middle of the land and every time the women sees a lamp she'd come out into the garden and start banging a pan and wooden spoon like some demented halfwit in an effort to try and scare away the foxes. I picked this perm up this year as the farmer was going nuts about the foxes but those who had been out with the lamp got fed up. Banged 5 within earshot of her garden so far and she's never twigged I'm there. NV just makes life easier for everyone sometimes. Cheer up Grant, it's March day after tomorrow! Edited February 27, 2017 by racing snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I've got the 6.5 Photon with doubler and I highly rate it. So long as you have a good quality IR torch I think you'll be well impressed. Still in the process of getting mounts/picatinny rails to fine tune the position of it on my T3. 200yrd shots are no problem. I like the look of these. Bumpy my shooting mate has one but he is such a lazy **** its 3 months in and its still not in use. Looking forward to a demo when he gets it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racing snake Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I like the look of these. Bumpy my shooting mate has one but he is such a lazy **** its 3 months in and its still not in use. Looking forward to a demo when he gets it sorted. Got one on the air rifle. They're good but really need the doubler on them for rifle. Trouble is I hear it's a right royal PITA to fit one on the newer ones because of the locking ring on the front lense. If you are in the market for one Grant I think Clive Ward over at NVUK is selling them with the doubler already fitted. Saves you the hassle of faffing with it and voiding any warranty etc. Good little scopes though for the money. Bit of a faff shimming the mounts unless you go for adjustable ones though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpy22 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Got one on the air rifle. They're good but really need the doubler on them for rifle. Trouble is I hear it's a right royal PITA to fit one on the newer ones because of the locking ring on the front lense. If you are in the market for one Grant I think Clive Ward over at NVUK is selling them with the doubler already fitted. Saves you the hassle of faffing with it and voiding any warranty etc. Good little scopes though for the money. Bit of a faff shimming the mounts unless you go for adjustable ones though. i have a doubler with mine. but have not took it out of the box lol (too many people asking me to take them out shooting deer not enough time). what is the problem with fitting it before i try? thanks Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 i have a doubler with mine. but have not took it out of the box lol (too many people asking me to take them out shooting deer not enough time). what is the problem with fitting it before i try? thanks Ed The newer ones have a retaining ring that is glued in place where the doubler would normally screw straight in. It's supposed to be an absolute pig to remove without damaging the scope. I believe the older ones didn't have this ring glued in, from what I hear, Yukon have done this as it transforms the Photon big time and would be on par with they're more expensive night scopes, therefore people wouldn't bother spending extra for no gain on the Photon. Had mine from Clive over on nvuk. Mine zeroed spot on for windage with no adjustment made, but have had to max elevation to get desired 1" high at 100yrds. Off to see Alan Rhone in the morning to sort out a 10moa picatinny rail so I can centralise crosshairs. Also with picatinny will be able to swap the Photon and my Zeiss easily ready for the summer months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Seen those from Clive and they are a good price. Would they keep zero with quick release mounts? Also looked at the ATN X-Site which looks smart. Not sure on the reliability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Seen those from Clive and they are a good price. Would they keep zero with quick release mounts? Also looked at the ATN X-Site which looks smart. Not sure on the reliability. Will let you know soon enough oowee, I'm hoping to test the the repeatability of removal and replacement of the scope whilst retaining zero. The top quality qr mounts are big bucks, but if it does enable me to swap scopes with no loss of zero it'll be worth it. Have heard a few grumplings about the ATN, personally never used one mind. Start my two week off shift tomorrow, itching to get out! Now just have to work out how to post pics properly so I can share my forays with you lot. By the way, some great write-ups guys, you've kept me sane over these last two weeks of being pretty much weathered off everyday! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racing snake Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Also heard nothing but generally poor reviews for the X-sight. The Photon (compared to the Drone) isn't without its issues. It can be a bit slow when trying to get correct exposure and the contrast is a bit harsh, making it a bit tricky picking your target in a busy background. That said mine's just been used for ratting, I would expect it to be better on an open field, especially with th eye-shin a fox gives off. You sometime need to shim the rear mount as you can run out of elevation on the scope, again quite an easy fix with a thin film of something under the rear mount. Some do, some don't (mine did for both the air rifle and the HMR when it had a brief go on that). For the money they're not bad at all. If you're torn between the Drone or the Photon though (price difference not withstanding) I'd still recommend the Drone. It's like comparing apples and oranges though given the price difference. I think Yukon are bringing a new scope out this year though, caught a brief glimpse of it on a Shot Show vid but details were thin on the ground. Am I the only one out? sat in the car waiting for the rain to **** off! Edited February 27, 2017 by racing snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Ha! Good eyes Mike, yes another new toy!! First time out with it on Friday and well impressed, put the nm 800 on top and the dog fox was a pretty straight forward shot at 190 paces, I've not played around with it much yet due to just not getting out. Nice Good result on the new perm Mike apart from the local nutter. Foosa ....how good was the pic at 190 paces ? Keep considering a photon but need to see one in the field. Is this one fitted with a doubler ? Cheers Mark RS another good result. Mike fun on your perm by the sound of it you just dont need the hassle. Great picture in the fog by the way Foosa three? thats just greedy. I was out last night and called one in from 400m but only had the girly rifle and with the wind and rain was reluctant to take the shot at 100m so tried to get closer and then heard a vixen calling out on the hill top. It was so loud I was wondering of someone else had a caller. Realised no one else would go out in that weather. Moved up the hill to reduce the distance and fox was gone had to be content with two rabbits. I need my new gun which looks like march now Thanks Grant. When is your proper rifle arriving mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Also heard nothing but generally poor reviews for the X-sight. The Photon (compared to the Drone) isn't without its issues. It can be a bit slow when trying to get correct exposure and the contrast is a bit harsh, making it a bit tricky picking your target in a busy background. That said mine's just been used for ratting, I would expect it to be better on an open field, especially with th eye-shin a fox gives off. You sometime need to shim the rear mount as you can run out of elevation on the scope, again quite an easy fix with a thin film of something under the rear mount. Some do, some don't (mine did for both the air rifle and the HMR when it had a brief go on that). For the money they're not bad at all. If you're torn between the Drone or the Photon though (price difference not withstanding) I'd still recommend the Drone. It's like comparing apples and oranges though given the price difference. I think Yukon are bringing a new scope out this year though, caught a brief glimpse of it on a Shot Show vid but details were thin on the ground. Am I the only one out? sat in the car waiting for the rain to **** off! With regards to the last comment...looks like you were the only one out in all of Wales Any luck? I looked at the forecast and considering the rain and snow...off to a nice warm bed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Will let you know soon enough oowee, I'm hoping to test the the repeatability of removal and replacement of the scope whilst retaining zero. The top quality qr mounts are big bucks, but if it does enable me to swap scopes with no loss of zero it'll be worth it. Have heard a few grumplings about the ATN, personally never used one mind. Start my two week off shift tomorrow, itching to get out! Now just have to work out how to post pics properly so I can share my forays with you lot. By the way, some great write-ups guys, you've kept me sane over these last two weeks of being pretty much weathered off everyday! Cheers! Look forward to your pics mate I do feel that certain people on here are starting to get a bit of an attitude when it comes to photography. I find I get unkind comments from people about my pics....no wait I just get unkind comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Good result on the new perm Mike apart from the local nutter. Foosa ....how good was the pic at 190 paces ? Keep considering a photon but need to see one in the field. Is this one fitted with a doubler ? This one doesn't have the doubler, it's the 6.5 mag one with a nm 800 ir and that makes a big difference to the sight picture. I was watching the dog fox for a few minutes waiting for a decent shot and had no problem with target id or confidence in making the shot, the picture doesn't compare to a drone but I was more than happy with it for taking fox at that range, the other two I had would have been about the 100 yard mark and both simple shots for the 204/photon combination. I've not had much chance to use it enough for a proper evaluation yet but as I do I'll give my opinion, I know of three fox that are unimpressed after it's first outing though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racing snake Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 With regards to the last comment...looks like you were the only one out in all of Wales Any luck? I looked at the forecast and considering the rain and snow...off to a nice warm bed No nothing doing Mike. Heavy showers were a pain. Saw one in the distance with the thermal, checked it out on the scope and it was carrying something (possibly a pheasant but too far to be sure). Wasn't interested in the caller with a face full of food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tournage Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Hi All, I thought that this post might be most relevant here but if not, I can post elesewhere. I have a query on foxes and shotguns which I hope isn't too controversial! In short, I have always and probably will always shoot with a 20 bore. The heaviest load I have put through it is a gamebore 34 gram, 4.5 shot size. Anything bigger in terms of load and size worries me a little. Therefore, my question is, do you think that that load would suffice on a fox at say 30/40 yards? I have seen dozens of posts stating that BB's and 1's are the only way but just as many with people stating that 30 gram 6s are okay. Therefore, very keen to get your educated opinions. Thank you in advance and may the debate commence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 If 34g 4.5 shot in a 20 bore was all I had available I wouldn't actively go looking for fox, if a fox presented itself whilst on a walk about/rough shoot that combination would probably kill a fox depending on where the pellets actually strike, how the fox is standing, how accurate you are with said 20g pattern, would it kill it everytime? I would doubt it otherwise this question wouldn't even be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tournage Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 If 34g 4.5 shot in a 20 bore was all I had available I wouldn't actively go looking for fox, if a fox presented itself whilst on a walk about/rough shoot that combination would probably kill a fox depending on where the pellets actually strike, how the fox is standing, how accurate you are with said 20g pattern, would it kill it everytime? I would doubt it otherwise this question wouldn't even be considered. Thanks, foosa - got a 'special' situation in that I am almost 100% certain that I will get very close to this fox as it seems to be a regular close to my house. Therefore, going to be camping out in a location and call it in very close to where the rabbits are - suspect it might just go for it... It's simple though, if it's not close enough, I won't shoot it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Thanks, foosa - got a 'special' situation in that I am almost 100% certain that I will get very close to this fox as it seems to be a regular close to my house. Therefore, going to be camping out in a location and call it in very close to where the rabbits are - suspect it might just go for it... It's simple though, if it's not close enough, I won't shoot it...No problem, the closer the better. With that cartridge at 20 yards through a tight choked gun there will only be one winner 9 times out of 10, 30/40 yards and the odds of a clean kill drop, I'm not saying the load isn't up to the job at that range, just not sure it's up to it everytime. A side on shot would be my choice 20 yards away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 No problem, the closer the better. With that cartridge at 20 yards through a tight choked gun there will only be one winner 9 times out of 10, 30/40 yards and the odds of a clean kill drop, I'm not saying the load isn't up to the job at that range, just not sure it's up to it everytime. A side on shot would be my choice 20 yards away. Agreed try and avoid head on as they are tough critters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tournage Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 No problem, the closer the better. With that cartridge at 20 yards through a tight choked gun there will only be one winner 9 times out of 10, 30/40 yards and the odds of a clean kill drop, I'm not saying the load isn't up to the job at that range, just not sure it's up to it everytime. A side on shot would be my choice 20 yards away. 20 yards - a very good challenge then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Pics from last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Headed out last night when the weather finally decided to behave. I wanted to get out to one of the chicken farms I look after before they let the 60,000 or so young hens out today. Parked up in a couple of spots just waiting for the rain to stop before I took a wander. Up onto a nice bank overlooking a few acres, put the caller on with a mix of distress calls and then the vixen call and spotted a nice tell tale set of eyes a couple of hundred yards away. Over to the NV and confirmed it was a fox. I was tempted to take the shot where it was but turned the caller onto the Gekkering call to see if that worked...it did...the fox turned and hurtled across the bank . I was pretty sure that he would cut across the bank and come out about 100 yards away from me. I got set up ready to go in a nice prone position in the mud, the fox appeared as expected and at 80 yards a quick squeak stopped him followed by a 58 grain .243 round in the chest. Nice dog fox though he was missing the majority of his brush. Headed back to the truck with a view to covering the other half of the ground. Quick flick with the torch was met with another nice set of eyes but they didnt reappear. Headed into the field and picked up a set of eyes (different fox) across the other end of the field. I set the sticks up and watched him through the NV to see what he was doing. I noticed he was limping and watched him get to a sensible range before I lay down for the shot...big mistake...I was in something that resembled a deer wallow.....I got the shot away as quickly as I could and dropped the second dog to a chest shot at around the 120 yard mark. A good nights works and a happy farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Nice one Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Good shooting Mike, some healthy looking foxes there that won't be bothering the chickens. I'm hoping to get out tonight if the weather plays ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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