Heavyshot

[Sean Richo]

When I go wildfowling I use steel of course however this season I have been given some tungsten 3 1/2 as a gift which am planning on using if II can get a goose over me. However I keep hearing about Heavyshot I just wondered if they are a brand of cartridge or a cartridge that is heavier than steel but not as good as tungsten? Are they cheaper than tungsten and also what is the shot made of?

[roostshooter1]

Heavyshot is the shot loaded into the cartridge case

Its very good but i found i needed to do alot of oattern testing with it to find the correct choke

If you use it at sensible ranges it kills very well but people seem to think that they can shoot 70 yard geese with it when in fact they just cant

[Sean Richo]

So what is the shot made of take it it's not steel or tungsten must be something else?

[Sean Richo]

Just googled it its tungsten,nickel and iron all mixed each one a certain percentage. Originally used for home loading but now you can buy them in boxes complete just got to find the prices now compared to steel.

[panoma1]

Just to confuse things I understand there were/are? two types of Hevishot loaded into factory made cartridges......the original harder than steel non uniform size/shape type and the sintered uniform shape/size shot which turns to powder of you hit it with a hammer!......

[motty]

I'm not necessarily saying that anyone should, but if you are a good enough shot and can get it to pattern well enough, hevishot ( in the correct size) will easily have enough energy to kill geese in excess of 70 yards.

A premium will be paid for that shot, though. I very rarely see hevishot factory shells anymore, so it is more of a home loading exercise.

I have never heard of hevishot that disintegrates when hit with a hammer.

[fandango]

"""I'm not necessarily saying that anyone should, but if you are a good enough shot and can get it to pattern well enough, hevishot ( in the correct size) will easily have enough energy to kill geese in excess of 70 yards.

A premium will be paid for that shot, though. I very rarely see hevishot factory shells anymore, so it is more of a home loading exercise.

I have never heard of hevishot that disintegrates when hit with a hammer.""""

 

Love the stuff but it's dear,, though in my reckoning worth £.... Have had some fantastic geese with HS and Power shot, loaded correctly and put through the correct choke it's devastating

[panoma1]

Just googled it its tungsten,nickel and iron all mixed each one a certain percentage. Originally used for home loading but now you can buy them in boxes complete just got to find the prices now compared to steel.

I'm not necessarily saying that anyone should, but if you are a good enough shot and can get it to pattern well enough, hevishot ( in the correct size) will easily have enough energy to kill geese in excess of 70 yards.

A premium will be paid for that shot, though. I very rarely see hevishot factory shells anymore, so it is more of a home loading exercise.

I have never heard of hevishot that disintegrates when hit with a hammer.

I agree Hevishot of the correct size has the down range energy to potentially kill geese at 70 yards......if the shooter is good enough to put the shot in the right place!

 

I believe the crushable (probably a better word than the phrase "turns to powder"?) shot was loaded at one time by Lyalvale Express and retailed as hevishot, this was the hevishot supposedly safe to use in classic guns! I understand production of these cartridges ceased some time ago?

 

Google.......Lyalvale Express Hevishot.

Edited August 26, 2016 by panoma1

[wymberley]

If it helps, this is an extract from a table comparing shot type performances for various NTS with lead prepared by a couple of members some time back and might still be kicking about the ether or archives. The MV was 1400 ft/sec and the range 40 yards.

 

Note, though, like all ballistic tables/calculations, it is but a guide.

 

[Guest cookoff013]

guys...

 

Hevishot is a brand for alloyed tungsten.

sinter shot like, itx, itm, niceshot etc are tungsten powder and iron / other metals mixed with a binding agent and processed into shot, this is caled sintering.. look it up. its cool.

 

thats the difference.

 

and yes, hevishot can be used at excessive distances. load up 2 oz in a 10 gauge, and i bet even 71 yards could be on the cards !

[TONY R]

Environ mettals who are in fact HEVI SHOT> are not well thought of in the Americas. They were less than honest in the dencities on their earlier product, and started selling a product a few years ago called hevi mettal this is in effect duplexed steel and hevi shot pellets and even though many seem tro like it over there some have lost all faith in environ metals and wont buy their ammo .

 

hevi metal

http://www.hevishot.com/catalog/hevi-metal/

as for crumbling up, i know the old ex lyalvale hevi shot the incredibly rough early stuff was as hard as hell, it was in the 150 DPH vickers area stedel is typicaly for soft iron pellets 97 to 105 dph for comparison,

I am not sure if the newers hevi shot is sintered of not but if it is it might well break up, but it wont happen in the internal balistics of the wepon or on the target so its pretty accademic rather like the fragmentation of Bismuth which is negligable and a moot point just the same.

Where you would buy loose hevi shot for reloading over here i have no idea never seen any, hw 13 is probably eassier and perhaps cheaper top get in my opinion.

Edited August 26, 2016 by TONY R

[Richie10]

Heavyshot is the shot loaded into the cartridge case

Its very good but i found i needed to do alot of oattern testing with it to find the correct choke

If you use it at sensible ranges it kills very well but people seem to think that they can shoot 70 yard geese with it when in fact they just cant

 

How is that a fact?

[wymberley]

guys...

 

Hevishot is a brand for alloyed tungsten.

sinter shot like, itx, itm, niceshot etc are tungsten powder and iron / other metals mixed with a binding agent and processed into shot, this is caled sintering.. look it up. its cool.

 

thats the difference.

 

and yes, hevishot can be used at excessive distances. load up 2 oz in a 10 gauge, and i bet even 71 yards could be on the cards !

Having doubled the threshold energy requirement for a mallard (guess) and picked the penetration (gelatin) figure for the largest goose, if you can chuck No3s (as above) out at 1500 ft/sec, you're home and dry assuming everything is as it says on the tin. However, this is a tad below the minimum effective recognised striking velocity usually given as 600 ft/sec..Above disclaimer applies.

[TONY R]

Having doubled the threshold energy requirement for a mallard (guess) and picked the penetration (gelatin) figure for the largest goose, if you can chuck No3s (as above) out at 1500 ft/sec, you're home and dry assuming everything is as it says on the tin. However, this is a tad below the minimum effective recognised striking velocity usually given as 600 ft/sec..Above disclaimer applies.

Numbers work fine, kills will happen, but at 71 yards the pattern will look like hell.

This is always the killer, but birds will drop to those who have the ability. But Ability is a GOOD THING, but the terminal efficiencey of these loads at 71 cyards wont be technicaly inspirational or practical. some birds will be wounded or missed completely the patterns are not reliable in performers at that range, but some of the birds will be hit and die clean. its how efficient do you want to be and where your ethics lay rather than the shot types potential performance.

[wymberley]

Numbers work fine, kills will happen, but at 71 yards the pattern will look like hell.

This is always the killer, but birds will drop to those who have the ability. But Ability is a GOOD THING, but the terminal efficiencey of these loads at 71 cyards wont be technicaly inspirational or practical. some birds will be wounded or missed completely the patterns are not reliable in performers at that range, but some of the birds will be hit and die clean. its how efficient do you want to be and where your ethics lay rather than the shot types potential performance.

Precisely. This is why I stayed with the 3s in order to keep the pattern as good as possible. Your last sentence is spot on. Me, I won't lift a gun to, or waste a shot on, anything much over 45 yards as after that the barn door syndrome kicks in. But, that's me. For those few who have the ability and the kit to produce favourable patterns at distance in order to be REASONABLY certain of a clean kill then let them crack on. I'm in awe of that rare ability.

Edited August 26, 2016 by wymberley

[TONY R]

Precisely. This is why I stayed with the 3s in order to keep the pattern as good as possible. Your last sentence is spot on. Me, I won't lift a gun to, or waste a shot on, anything much over 45 yards as after that the barn door syndrome kicks in. But, that's me. For those few who have the ability and the kit to produce favourable patterns at distance in order to be REASONABLY certain of a clean kill then let them crack on. I'm in awe of that rare ability.

That rare fluke is a better way of looking at it, Patterns dont kill pellets kill but one without the other is not reliable and at 71 yards in any gun any load you are going to struggle, TSS 5s in a ten 3 oz would probably give you the best chance of a half decent pattern you could put some trust in at 71 yards by sheere wight of numbers the % could well be there at that range, but the pattern will still look like hell, ten yards is a long way in a patterns flight and a good 40 wont look as slick at 50 or again at 60

And when you get past 60 things go south very fast indeed.

One thing is a fact a bad pattern at 40 will still be a bad pattern at 60 they dont get better with range.

so that healthy 60 yard patter needs patterning at 71 to know what its going to do at 71 anything other than this is pure guess work and suposition.

[wymberley]

That rare fluke is a better way of looking at it, Patterns dont kill pellets kill but one without the other is not reliable and at 71 yards in any gun any load you are going to struggle, TSS 5s in a ten 3 oz would probably give you the best chance of a half decent pattern you could put some trust in at 71 yards by sheere wight of numbers the % could well be there at that range, but the pattern will still look like hell, ten yards is a long way in a patterns flight and a good 40 wont look as slick at 50 or again at 60

And when you get past 60 things go south very fast indeed.

One thing is a fact a bad pattern at 40 will still be a bad pattern at 60 they dont get better with range.

so that healthy 60 yard patter needs patterning at 71 to know what its going to do at 71 anything other than this is pure guess work and suposition.

Wouldn't that count as applying reason?

[islandgun]

I agree Hevishot of the correct size has the down range energy to potentially kill geese at 70 yards......if the shooter is good enough to put the shot in the right place!

 

I believe the crushable (probably a better word than the phrase "turns to powder"?) shot was loaded at one time by Lyalvale Express and retailed as hevishot, this was the hevishot supposedly safe to use in classic guns! I understand production of these cartridges ceased some time ago?

 

Google.......Lyalvale Express Hevishot.

 

I have some hevi shot from express carts, its cintered and crushes easily with pliers, the advertising blurb on the box states that you MUST use steel proofed guns, I have since bought some American E shot also heavier than lead also cintered but suitable for classic guns. They are not identicle but very similar

[TONY R]

Wouldn't that count as applying reason?

You would be suprised i am telling the truth here once walking off a marsh in scotland mat a bloke i knew vaguely from seeing him about, asked him if he was walking off with ius he said no he was hanging about he had a few home loads he wanted to pattern on the water.

For some its not just as logical i supose.

[TONY R]

 

I have some hevi shot from express carts, its cintered and crushes easily with pliers, the advertising blurb on the box states that you MUST use steel proofed guns, I have since bought some American E shot also heavier than lead also cintered but suitable for classic guns. They are not identicle but very similar

It will be the composition of the shot that matters here, It will be im guessing a lower DPH and of softer materials in the sintering mixture for want of a better term, this will be softer than barrel steel rendering it compatable with older classic guns, in suitable loads.

can it be run direct to the barrel E shot as in no form of wad protection.?

[islandgun]

It will be the composition of the shot that matters here, It will be im guessing a lower DPH and of softer materials in the sintering mixture for want of a better term, this will be softer than barrel steel rendering it compatable with older classic guns, in suitable loads.

can it be run direct to the barrel E shot as in no form of wad protection.?

yes mate fibre wads

[islandgun]

Load as lead

[roostshooter1]

roostshooter1, on 26 Aug 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

Heavyshot is the shot loaded into the cartridge case

Its very good but i found i needed to do alot of oattern testing with it to find the correct choke

If you use it at sensible ranges it kills very well but people seem to think that they can shoot 70 yard geese with it when in fact they just cant

 

How is that a fact?

 

Seen plenty of people that think they can kill at 70 to 80 yards when they just cant

 

Mark 70 yards out and see how far it is as birds always seem further than they really are

Get them in close its the correct way

[propercartridges]

if any body wants any loading provide me with the shot or where can i buy quantitys of heavyshot thanks george

[TONY R]

if any body wants any loading provide me with the shot or where can i buy quantitys of heavyshot thanks george

Walk straight past hevi shot go for HW 13 or even better HW18 its no harder to load and can use the same data as hevi shot certainly in the case of HW13.

HW18 or TSS as its comonly known comes from china. Hal .. or hawg lips brings it in to the states in small amounts sells it on the various forums mostly turkey forums but he pushes it or acctualy has a few others push it for him on some waterfowl forums.

Kip at bucks run sells HW shot to reloaders but he wont have the tonage in stock you would need best bet is china direct, http://www.guangxitungsten.com/. good luck.

Edited August 27, 2016 by TONY R