nabbers Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I have three Cogswell and Harrison single shotguns on gun watch, nobody interested, I like em, just need the space, wondering about deactivation so I can just put them on the wall, apparently they are also more valuable that way, yeah I know its a shame.. Anyone do there own, take or get a local engineer to do it? Gun shops charge £100 or so, make very little on the deal, I have a chap who welds stuff up and can cut steel, I could stand around and drink tea whilst he does it so he doesn't need a ticket. Where can I see the spec of whats required? Assume then a trip to the proofing house is in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Home office guidelines give the spec. Trip to proof house I think it now £75 for proof on demand as a private individual per gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I think that you can deactivate a shotgun on your own, if it is properly done, and keep the gun without the trouble and expense of getting a certificate but you cannot sell the deactivated gun without a certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Here's what you want: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117802/deactivation-of-firearms-2010.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I was going to do a double barrel I found at an auction but when I looked at the specs (liked above) by the time you've welded the plug in the barrel the look of the gun would have been ruined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I think that you can deactivate a shotgun on your own, if it is properly done, and keep the gun without the trouble and expense of getting a certificate but you cannot sell the deactivated gun without a certificate. Untill it has been certificated it will in law still be considered to be a "firearm" . Same as with a mag restriction . Silly but thats the way it is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Can't bring myself to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 I was going to do a double barrel I found at an auction but when I looked at the specs (liked above) by the time you've welded the plug in the barrel the look of the gun would have been ruined Can't bring myself to do that. All modifications are not visible from the outside if done properly. Once it's hanging on a wall who else is going to know/see them? Yes, we'd all rather see them keep going but some are just past it and are better as decorations than scrap. Untill it has been certificated it will in law still be considered to be a "firearm" . Same as with a mag restriction . Silly but thats the way it is . Good point, how would you get it off your ticket? Can an RFD just look at it and write it off? Or can you simply declare that the gun's been "destroyed" and inform your FEO with no other evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 If you deactivate a shotgun it's not been destroyed as such ,you have to send it to one of the proof houses for verification and certification then send a copy to your firearms department who will then remove it from the firearms data base and it's allocation to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 All modifications are not visible from the outside if done properly. Once it's hanging on a wall who else is going to know/see them? It was the fact that the barrel plug is meant to have a continuous weld around it, couldn't see how it could be done without discolouring the barrels in the area of the weld, If someone knows how it is/can be done I would be interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 It was the fact that the barrel plug is meant to have a continuous weld around it, couldn't see how it could be done without discolouring the barrels in the area of the weld, If someone knows how it is/can be done I would be interested I've a Damascus barrelled gun deactivated to HO guidelines & may daughter has another steel barrelled gun the same. Can't see the weld line on either. Both professionally (gunsmith) done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 you do not have to put a solid ring of weld to retain the plug you can weld the plug to the barrel's using the slot you have to cut in both barrels that way the welding heat marks are hidden under the closed action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Ok, I have read the Deact Spec and I think I can get an engineer to do the work for me on my 3 Cogswell and Harrison singles for about £25 a gun whilst I stand over him as he doesn't have a licence. Ive done a bit of google searching and cant find any prices for the Proof house costs, I guess it means RFD sending them the guns so thats another £20 or more each way per gun? Can anyone shed light on this stage of the process? I'm between a rock and a hard place, need the guns out of my cabinet, nobody really wants to buy them, I'm sentimentally attached so having them on display would be good, There could be an argument that sadly a wall hanger is worth more then a working gun. AS they match except in caliber, I should be able to make an interesting display piece. Edited January 14, 2017 by nabbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 I looked at a sbs that had been deactivated all under the fore end. Firing pin hole's looked to have been recessed then a big blob of weld put over them. A massive slot cut in the barrels from the breech to nearly the end of the fore end area with a massive lump of steel welded in the what was left of both barrels chambers. The welding was poor, but with the gun clipped back together it looked complete. I wouldn't mind a go at that bet I could do it with a dremmel and a mig welder and perhaps an angle grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Are they still on gun watch .i can not find them. have you tried gun trader or gun star . Edited January 15, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted January 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Are they still on gun watch .i can not find them. have you tried gun trader or gun star . http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/347682-cogswell-harrison-certus-410/ http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/347683-cogswell-harrison-certus-20-gauge/ http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/347684-cogswell-harrison-certus-12-gauge/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovercoupe Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Thninking about this how would you weld the plug with a mig if the plug is way down in the chamber? A 2mm arc rod might be better but the angle is still **** for a good weld. Looks like about 10 mins work once the plug is sized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Thninking about this how would you weld the plug with a mig if the plug is way down in the chamber? A 2mm arc rod might be better but the angle is still **** for a good weld. Looks like about 10 mins work once the plug is sized. you do not have to put a solid ring of weld to retain the plug you can weld the plug to the barrel's using the slot you have to cut in both barrels that way the welding heat marks are hidden under the closed action. Like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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