Second hand watches

[walshie]

Not really sure why buze can't have a debate without trying to run people down or generally be smart, but he still hasn't explained why he wants cheap watches with proper brand names on. Maybe it's to impress his engineer buddies?

[wandringstar]

most people with the real thing wouldn't entertain a fake, especially someone with multiple genuine ones, I don't get it.

[buze]

Not really sure why buze can't have a debate without trying to run people down or generally be smart, but he still hasn't explained why he wants cheap watches with proper brand names on. Maybe it's to impress his engineer buddies?

 

Well, I tried typing sllllloooooowwwwweeerrr but that doesn't seem to help with people understanding.

 

I already explained it all, in details, with pictures. Sorry I didn't have the time or inclination to make little arrows pointing here and there to help, but the thurst of it is:

 

1) it's an amazing feat of engineering to make something that good for that little money. My 'engineering friends' all agree that's is bleeping incredible to be able to make *that* for *that much* and still make a buck. Therefore it's actually a very, very good lesson about what you learn about 'good workmanship is expensive' -- apparently, it's not. Not that much anyway, not with a bit more ingenuity.

 

2) These copies are excellent if you are sussing buying a very expensive watch, as it'll give you a VERY close idea of wether it's a lead weight, wether it's too big/small for your wrist before you fork out. It's not like shoes where you 'know' it'll be a nice pair to wear. A watch is a bit more complicated to be 'comfy' and costs 10x the price of a good pair of shoes. Next time you are in a watch shop, as if you can borrow it for a week-end, just for a laugh.

 

The ONLY reason I bough that big seamaster is because it has the only invention in horlogy in the last 200+ years, the coxial escapement. Because I'm a nerd. I don't mind buying a fake rolex, the real ones are the same extroardinarily well polished 1750 technology as it ever was.

 

Technically, Omega are owned by Swatch, and my 'Swiss Made' Steinhart broke after a year. One of my Longines is also in need of a service after about 2 years. While my chinese copies still all tick along very nicely. You know why they all wax lyrical about 'in house movement'? well they figured out they can't continue selling the same ETAs over and over and over again -- seems that people have figured it out really.

 

Lastly, if you don't keep these guys on their toes, they will start making rubbish, just because they can. Here they REALLY have to work hard to make the real thing, and that's good.

 

Next, I propose you all google "de beers diamond market manipulation" ( help for the slow ) and see the parallel.

Don't be so hard on yourself, you're an engineer who likes a rip off watch, doesn't mean you're a kiddy fiddling nazi.

 

there there, here's an amicable pat on the head for being 'funny'. good boy.

[wandringstar]

if you don't keep these guys on their toes by making great fakes, then they will end up making rubbish...........really

[buze]

if you don't keep these guys on their toes by making great fakes, then they will end up making rubbish...........really

 

You haven't bought a car recently, have you? Figured out yet why they break just out of warantee? What about your washing machine, phone, and pretty much everything else?

 

Here, I give you an honorary pat on the head as well for being SUCH a good consumer. Well done!

[itchy trigger]

for those that missed the point, I have quoted the relevant part

 

Well, I tried typing sllllloooooowwwwweeerrr but that doesn't seem to help with people understanding

 

You know why they all wax lyrical about 'in house movement'? well they figured out they can't continue selling the same ETAs over and over and over again -- seems that people have figured it out really.

 

 

folk eventually twigged that they were paying crazy prices for an ETA movement in fancy packaging, so that forced the development for the "in house movement"

[Hamster]

 

Yeah. whatever. I'm a nerd and an engineer, I want to know the justification on why it costs nearly 100 times more. There isn't one, apart from the fact people are brainwashed on the fact it's built by naked virgins using golden tools.

 

Not into fakes but totally get what you're saying, some people it seems just like the security of knowing they're being proper ripped off by insisting on paying £11 large to some big name whose business model is built on making people think it's "better" than a £2500 watch. And don't forget the pleasure of that annual £450 service , what the hell is that all about ?

 

Loved the terrorism angle although methinks May standing there (on the news today) telling us brazen as you like that her visit to Saudi and selling billions of pounds of weapons of destruction to propagate war and misery onto millions of innocents was OK because it was good for British jobs is waaaaaaay closer to supporting terrorism.

[walshie]

 

You haven't bought a car recently, have you? Figured out yet why they break just out of warantee? What about your washing machine, phone, and pretty much everything else?

 

Here, I give you an honorary pat on the head as well for being SUCH a good consumer. Well done!

 

Do you get your wife to sew Armani patches on your George by Asda jeans just so people think you're classy? No difference between that and what you're doing.

 

Take a pat on the head for being the most patronizing ******** on PW.

[wandringstar]

 

You haven't bought a car recently, have you? Figured out yet why they break just out of warantee? What about your washing machine, phone, and pretty much everything else?

 

Here, I give you an honorary pat on the head as well for being SUCH a good consumer. Well done!

 

lets talk first about my car.............german premium brand, 35 years old, original engine and gearbox, daily driver

 

phone................nokia, 6 years daily use

 

washing machine, 2nd hand miele, 24 years old, bearings not even noisy

 

 

still don't get why a premium brand watch connoisseur with multiple models, needs (or wants) a fake. Go on the rolex forum and see if there are any other collectors like you who own fakes

Edited April 4, 2017 by wandringstar

[Hamster]

 

Do you get your wife to sew Armani patches on your George by Asda jeans just so people think you're classy? No difference between that and what you're doing.

 

Take a pat on the head for being the most patronizing ******** on PW.

 

Wouldn't be caught dead with Armani jeans, eeeeew, almost as bad as wearing one of their watches.

 

 

 

still don't get why a premium brand watch connoisseur with multiple models, needs a fake.

 

He explained it twice.

[LondonLuke]

I have now seen everything, we are now entertaining arguing with someone who believes it's sensible to buy fake watches.

 

Come on guys, own up, who put the 50p in the dipstick?

 

If you can't afford it, don't fake it, and don't fake it until you can.

 

If you don't know if you're going to like a watch, try a real one, in a real shop and decide - just like everyone else in the real world.

 

Do you take your clothes to Currys when you're thinking about a new washing machine too?

Edited April 4, 2017 by LondonLuke

[walshie]

 

Wouldn't be caught dead with Armani jeans, eeeeew, almost as bad as wearing one of their watches.

 

 

Me neither. It was an example.

[buze]

I'm actually amazed that The Righteous come with their lille ponnies and the same argument as "mom said it was bad, therefore it's BAAAAD!". Have you guys *documented* yourself, did a bit of digging around before getting out on Rocitante and go after the infidel?

 

Have you ever taken apart a watch, for a laugh? How do you know, apart from the 'mom told me not to'?

 

I have real watches, I have copies, I have vintages, and I have really **** watches, and I will wear them all because I like each little stories in them. Ultimately, they aren't here to give you the time anymore, so the little stories behind them is a lot more interesting than the actual item. If you "I bough it as in investment for my children" well I suggest you don't google around for the price fixing that is in place over many years to prop up the second hand prices...

 

Also, I don't like being flippant, but 1) when faced with a mob, no amount of sense will work and 2) I've been in flame wars before any of you guys knew what 'internet' was, so I know how they pan out.

[junglebert]

The fact you see people disagreeing with you as 'Flame wars' and not just people with an alternative point of view is slightly odd.

[LondonLuke]

What's the superlative for condescending?

 

And it's spelt "Rocinante"

Edited April 4, 2017 by LondonLuke

[wandringstar]

oh come on, this is just a debate between imaginary people on the internet, its just slightly more than 'virtual'.

 

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[walshie]

It's not a debate. We're all wrong and buze obviously is right. We'll just have to agree to disagree. He likes cheap imitation stuff and I don't. End of story.

[winnie&bezza]

I was out shopping with my mother and sister and browsed a few Omegas in the shops in Cardiff, although wasn't looking to buy.

 

My mother was looking for herself, she's worked all her life and is by no means a toff, she's spent the last 20 years running her own little rug shop.

 

Anyways, she paid into a savings pot all her life and its recently paid out so whilst having the house done up a bit she was just browsing a second hand shop and found herself a lovely little Rolex.

 

My sister told her to spoil herself as she could afford it so she did. As an aside I mentioned the Seamasters and the bloke told me he just had one in but hasn't advertised it yet as needs to be sent off for service and polish.

 

I had a look and he offered it for £1750. Compared to the ones I've seen online apparently this seems decent. Afterwards he told us hang on and went away and came back with a free Wolf watch winder.

 

I tried to pay the bloke but my Mother refused btw and paid for it as it is my Birthday. My other watches are two Seikos but each was given to me as a gift off someone I hold very dearly and are items I really treasure. I hope to keep them all for a very long time to come! Sorry for the long story.

Lovely story. Nice one.

[Hamster]

What's the superlative for condescending?

 

And it's spelt "rocinante"

 

Annoyingly well informed intellectual.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Hamster

[LondonLuke]

Annoyingly well informed intellectual.

Thanks, kind words

[buze]

What's the superlative for condescending?

 

And it's spelt "Rocinante"

 

English is not my native language, I do get along most fo the time, but sometime one does the occasional slip of the keyboard.

[Mungler]

Those that have saved up and bought the real thing argue their corner; to be expected.

 

If you want to wear a Jekyll watch - go mad. It doesn't bother me but it doesn't make any sense to me either; regardless of any long winded explanation surely it's just got to be down to blagging it else a well engineered seiko would do.

 

Nice to see the resident socialist popping up to belittle anyone spending out on something like an expensive kettle If you won the Crown Jewels in a raffle they would be the wrong colour, too heavy, too vulgar, etc

[Lloyd90]

Those that have saved up and bought the real thing argue their corner; to be expected.

 

If you want to wear a Jekyll watch - go mad. It doesn't bother me but it doesn't make any sense to me either; regardless of any long winded explanation surely it's just got to be down to blagging it else a well engineered seiko would do.

 

Nice to see the resident socialist popping up to belittle anyone spending out on something like an expensive kettle If you won the Crown Jewels in a raffle they would be the wrong colour, too heavy, too vulgar, etc

Still figuring out which banned member he is 😂

[Hamster]

Those that have saved up and bought the real thing argue their corner; to be expected.

 

If you want to wear a Jekyll watch - go mad. It doesn't bother me but it doesn't make any sense to me either; regardless of any long winded explanation surely it's just got to be down to blagging it else a well engineered seiko would do.

 

Nice to see the resident socialist popping up to belittle anyone spending out on something like an expensive kettle If you won the Crown Jewels in a raffle they would be the wrong colour, too heavy, too vulgar, etc

 

Dunno about socialist but I've been known to spend money on posh cars like they're going out of fashion, reason being I can justify it based on the fact they are quantifiably better made in almost every way and the whole family can get to benefit from them.

 

I also have nothing against expensive watches hence why I backed up Buze and let him know I could understand his logic regarding being able to appreciate both types for different reasons. I own a very expensive Tag, wife has two one wiv diamonds and everyfing but admittedly they cost a lot less than £11k each. My decisions are based on whether I like the appearance and whether I think the price tag is on the right side of grotesquely stupid. I don't do expensive just to show I can, at least some of the Rolex wearers I have seen would be best spending their dosh on a nicer house.

 

Same with guns, not saying I wouldn't like to shoot a £12k Beretta or Perazzi but I am bright enough to know the extra money will not put crosses on the score card.

 

I love the idea that some think spending £100 on a fake but otherwise nice watch is supporting terrorism or being ripped off but spending over a hundred times to get something that is arguably only 3 times better is somehow very clever.

[junglebert]

It's not my opinion that there's a clear link between counterfeiting and terrorism, it's a proven fact.

 

https://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2003/PR019

 

https://euipo.europa.eu/ohimportal/documents/11370/71142/Counterfeiting+%26%20terrorism/7c4a4abf-05ee-4269-87eb-c828a5dbe3c6