spanj Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Bird flu confirmed in a 10000 flock of pheasants in Pilling Lancs (H* F** ?) All to be culled according to BBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Is that the well known pheasant suppliers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Is that the well known pheasant suppliers Dunno but they are the only ones I can think of in such a small place .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just looked it up,seams like it is. Just sent a link to my brother,as are birds came from that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just looked it up,seams like it is. Just sent a link to my brother,as are birds came from that direction. I'm guessing that its an enclosed breeding flock. You SHOULD be OK if you bought poults and released them last year I'd have thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I've just been reading about it my self https://www.fginsight.com/news/bird-flu-strikes-10000-strong-flock-of-pheasants-in-lancashire-18329 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes that what they did,will more worried about this year's birds for the coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes that what they did,will more worried about this year's birds for the coming season. They wont be coming from there as they are all to be culled :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 We get our birds from there; not good news for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfitter Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 They wont be coming from there as they are all to be culled :( Why not just because his laying birds are gone there will be nothing stopping him buying in eggs or for that day olds to rear on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Why not just because his laying birds are gone there will be nothing stopping him buying in eggs or for that day olds to rear on That is true, I don't know how long the restrictions will last at his premises, plus he will have to fund new eggs/birds and he has said that they are close to being bankrupt. I guess they will get a payout but how long will that take, if anything like farm payment could be a year. Also I am not sure I would have poults from them and risk my ground even though I am sure every precaution would be in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfitter Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 That is true, I don't know how long the restrictions will last at his premises, plus he will have to fund new eggs/birds and he has said that they are close to being bankrupt. I guess they will get a payout but how long will that take, if anything like farm payment could be a year. Also I am not sure I would have poults from them and risk my ground even though I am sure every precaution would be in place. It's an interesting paper exercise calculating the cost differential between over wintered flocks and bought in eggs I found it cheaper and simpler to buy in simply because the labour and feed costs coupled with potential disease be it mycoplasma etc or as in this case flu made it uneconomical. I would be surprised if ray is close to bankruptcy though it is rumoured through the industry every year as it is with bettws hall yet they keep on going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Why not just because his laying birds are gone there will be nothing stopping him buying in eggs or for that day olds to rear on Thats true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 He will be compensated for the birds that are culled but the premises have to be cleaned to an extremely high standard which I believe he has to pay for. I heard of one place where the cleanup bill was £1million. Very bad news for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's an interesting paper exercise calculating the cost differential between over wintered flocks and bought in eggs I found it cheaper and simpler to buy in simply because the labour and feed costs coupled with potential disease be it mycoplasma etc or as in this case flu made it uneconomical. I would be surprised if ray is close to bankruptcy though it is rumoured through the industry every year as it is with bettws hall yet they keep on going I'd imagine keeping a closed folck will always be less economical, but the theory is ur getting better birds. I think the victorians started doingit way back as they thought catching up ur breeding stock as producing poorer birds as u could be catching up all the low fliers and birds that fly out the sides/back. Also even more so nowadays with all these different strains and crosses, having a captive flock will be 1 of the few ways to guarantee wot ur breeding with as like sheep farming u'd breed and hold back a certain number of pure btrds for ur breeding stock and breed crosses for selling, with caught up birds u could be breeding with unkown strains, really crossing mongrals with mongrals Don't know wot happens with brid flu but with F&M the farmers were paid by MAFF/goverment to clean there sheds or in many cases a team of subbies(cowboys) were sent in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfitter Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I'd imagine keeping a closed folck will always be less economical, but the theory is ur getting better birds. I think the victorians started doingit way back as they thought catching up ur breeding stock as producing poorer birds as u could be catching up all the low fliers and birds that fly out the sides/back. Also even more so nowadays with all these different strains and crosses, having a captive flock will be 1 of the few ways to guarantee wot ur breeding with as like sheep farming u'd breed and hold back a certain number of pure btrds for ur breeding stock and breed crosses for selling, with caught up birds u could be breeding with unkown strains, really crossing mongrals with mongrals Don't know wot happens with brid flu but with F&M the farmers were paid by MAFF/goverment to clean there sheds or in many cases a team of subbies(cowboys) were sent in How do you know over wintered birds don't fly low or slip out of the sided since they never get the chance? If every year you use the same progeny then all you are doing is perpetuating a circle of inbreeding the chances of poor egg production, lack of fertility ,higher chick mortality and an exaggeration of undesirable traits becomes much higher,fresh blood I.e bought in cocks that have proven characteristics is the only way to keep the flock moving forward and at that point it's not a closed flock to use your analogy of sheep is it not the case shepherds buy in rams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Sorry bitfitter point taken wasn't meaning to mean owt by it, there will be no proof either way which produces the best birds. But is that not the reason why some game farms use closed flocks for breeding and taking the extra expenses on the chin or charging more for there birds? Surely if ur taking in caught up birds its hard to know exactly wot strain or wot cross the birds are and wot generation of cross? My anology about sheep farms was meant to be along the lines that most sheep farms (esp lowland) breed cross bred lambs but usually either bred a small number or buy in some pure bred lines for the breeding stock, so crossing either pure bred to pure or 1st gen crosses to pure. Yes they will buy in new tups or breeding ewes but do most game farms with closed flocks not also change/swap there stock with other closed folck farms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Quote from the owner:- Dear everyone,As most of you will already know we have had avian influenza confirmed in 15,000 of our over wintered breeding pheasants. Fortunately this is not on our main site and it will be business as usual as long as it does not spread. I would like to thank you all for your well wishes through social media, texts phone calls and emails, they are so numerous I cannot respond to them all individually. Thank you againGraham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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