pin Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Very recent experience shows me a few quid on a spring transforms the CZ into something very special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyR Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 If you have the money go for the Annie. I had made my mind up to buy a Cz 452 last year, went to the gunshop, who happened to have an 1517 Annie in stock as well, once I had handled it there was going back to the Cz. I have the HMR and FAC air, I can see no need at all for a 22LR, and the FAC air doesn't get used much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I am not bothered that this is going slightly off topic. I am learning a **** load. Keep going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 buy a weihrauch mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfish Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Ive used most but went for CZ452 Varmint 16" .22 and CZ452 Varmint 16" .17hmr both with SAK mods and a .22 CZ452 Silhouette in 16" with a SAK for wet weather, mud and truck work. If you want an over priced rifle to stroke and clean take your choice, I love to stroke and clean them too, sometimes If you want a well made rifle built to do the job which you can float and fit a trigger kit if needed ( 1 out of 3 for me) then CZ £270 .22 rifle £30 SAK £12 trigger kit £270 .17hmr rifle £30 SAK £12 trigger kit 2 guns for the same price as an over rated Annie Its the same as BMW owners and the rest of the world, if you want to worry about your gun then buy an Annie, if you want to use it get a CZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 We are all talking about bashing Corvids, Lagomorphs and Lupines here. 1/4" moa doesn't matter with this quarry, all dead. Spend more if you have to, but when you do try telling yourself that the rabbit you just killed at 100 yards, outright, somehow cost you more for no reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 2 guns for the same price as an over rated Annie Its the same as BMW owners and the rest of the world, if you want to worry about your gun then buy an Annie, if you want to use it get a CZ. Anschutz over-rated...no where near!! Not sure what your saying about BMW's there, but I liken it to Skoda and Bentley...a skoda will get you froma to be in an OK fashion, a lot of people have them, they devalue quicker, and they're build quality is pretty good...but nothing like a bentley, which is smooth, sophisitcated, built by skilled craftedman that have passed on their knowledge for generations, and it'll look as good and go as well in 50 years time. (Not that I have anything against Skoda...even bought one for the missus...but would prefer a Bentley!) Your nearly comparing two very different animals, the difference is that great IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 2 guns for the same price as an over rated Annie Its the same as BMW owners and the rest of the world, if you want to worry about your gun then buy an Annie, if you want to use it get a CZ. Anschutz over-rated...no where near!! Not sure what your saying about BMW's there, but I liken it to Skoda and Bentley...a skoda will get you froma to be in an OK fashion, a lot of people have them, they devalue quicker, and they're build quality is pretty good...but nothing like a bentley, which is smooth, sophisitcated, built by skilled craftedman that have passed on their knowledge for generations, and it'll look as good and go as well in 50 years time. (Not that I have anything against Skoda...even bought one for the missus...but would prefer a Bentley!) Your nearly comparing two very different animals, the difference is that great IMHO. I agree with you exactly Oly. I would readily admit that with a tweak here and there a CZ will probably perform as well as my Anschutz. I've had a couple of CZ in the past and feel free to comment on this. However, I paid more because I wanted the quality of manufacture and looks. I aint knocking CZ, just it was my choice to buy what I thought was the best gun available. If Sako had manufactured a Varmint hmr then I would have bought one instead. My Annie gets dirty - so what - I treat it as a working gun. A huge number of these "I don't know why you bought an Annie cos my CZ is just as good" posts are sent by people who own cars that they are desperate to trade up for a 'Better' car with exactly the same performance and probably worse MPG. What does that prove - nothing apart from let the debate rage on cos that's what I like about this forum. No bitter back biting, and 'friendly' argument from people who will not admit that the Annie is a clearly, significantly, obviously better gun than a CZ from poor folks who cannot afford an Annie who wish that they could Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfish Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I’ve used and owned Annies for years, just think they have been left behind and now produce over rated guns based on a history of poor competition. The new stocks and build quality is not as good as it once was and I now feel they have been passed in all areas bar the quality of triggers. As you say a personal point but one based on years of using old Annies, then on looking to buy another realising new models are not a patch on the quality of older models and CZ are much more focused on the needs of shooters and provide quality and choice. Yes I agree an Annie is like a Bentley - over priced and based on elitist values harking from an era of poor competition and good market placement. Affording an Annie is not a problem, wanting one is a different point...................not a new one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Im not sure of sterling prices but a CZ in euros here is around the 460mark then anshutz is double that say 850 The CZ are an excellent quality gun (there are some exceptions but thats what you get at that price range you just shop around for a good one) The metal to wood fit is excellent inletting is done to a high standard blueing and finish on reciever lasts and is well done i had a 9 year old magnum that looked like new some stocks are fantastic some not so much but as i said your not paying alot for this gun they are very well machined barrel's are very good so is the crowning and shoot up there with the best. So you have to ask yourself what your getting out of an anshutz are they twice as good as a CZ no doubt the trigger is excellent but are they much more accurate not really your talking about a very small about is the finish much better quaility of wood inletting. IMO its not worth the extra cost im not saying they are not better they are but not what people are making out i'm not going to pay another odd 450 fro a trigger and the snob factor when i can sort out the trigger on my CZ for 15. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket which in fairness alot of people arent short i think a much better idea is to buy a CZ and give it to a gusmith and im sure for less the 450 he will bed it float it give you a silky smooth trigger refinish the stock jewel the bolt and whatever else he can think of and you'll then have a better rifle than a factory anshutz for the same price. And anyone that says CZ's dont hold they're value is rubbish i bought my first rifle in 2005 for 300euro a CZ 452 .22wmr i used it and i mean used it for a year and a half it got dirty scratched worn modified but looked after shot at least 1000 rounds through it. At the start of this year i sold it as i wanted a .17 and i got 350euro for it thats more than i bought it for it and the stock at least had varnish missing off the front and a few more dings in it. CZ's hold they're value exceptionally well and id say more so than an anschutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conor Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 i have a sako quad in 17hmr, to say im happy with it is an understatement. will shoot to point of aim no problem allday long. first shot after cleaning bang on and stays that way. lovely slick bolt, mag fits perfect falling into your hand with the press of the catch. shoots 1/2" easy enough. mate has a cz, grand rifle for the money. handled all three annie cz and sako when i was buyin. didnt get on with the annie safety catch. go for a hmr in my opinion its way ahead of 22lr took a crow today on an island at 158yds(measured with johngalways range finder as he is off to crete)in a cross wind happy out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I went out last night with my quad in hmr, I had 13 rabbits and a pigeon. I turned one corner and loads of rabbits ran. I got 3 of them as fast as I could recycle the rounds, the furthest being ablut 70 paces away. I really recomend them. A bloke at work asked me to get him a few rabbits. He looked a bit shocked when I turned up with 12 Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 consider anchutz you could get one for the price of the quad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamW Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Well that was some read! Having read it all and taking it all in, I'm gonna get the HMR put on my ticket! I currently have a CZ 22lr but can see the benefits of the HMR, and having read all this, I'm going to get a CZ! Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john faul Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 cz are great value for money frank il tell ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopy bunny blaster Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 wheres frank when people need informing about the benefits of a cz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Well after all this thinking time waiting for my cert to arrive, I've changed my mind about the CZ Varmint. Now I want a CZ American, plenty good enough for me. If you can outshoot a CZ in field conditions then you need an Anschutz, but who can? Certainly not me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballie Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 With 7 pages to this post I have to admit not to reading all the posts but all I can say is I have an Annie 1517 and I like to think I can shoot ok but the 17hmr rimfire ammo is very inconsistant and you can only shoot as well as your ammo and rifle allows and 17hmr ammo is not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 With 7 pages to this post I have to admit not to reading all the posts but all I can say is I have an Annie 1517 and I like to think I can shoot ok but the 17hmr rimfire ammo is very inconsistant and you can only shoot as well as your ammo and rifle allows and 17hmr ammo is not that good. depends what you compare the ammo against. Compared to .22lr ammo its absolutely brilliant. I've never found much in the way of inconsistency with mine but I don't do much paper punching with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 If you can outshoot a CZ in field conditions then you need an Anschutz, but who can? Certainly not me! Yep, that's why I have an Anschutz!! :o I can shoot ok but the 17hmr rimfire ammo is very inconsistant and you can only shoot as well as your ammo and rifle allows and 17hmr ammo is not that good. I second that, that's why I stick to the .22lr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleman Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 With 7 pages to this post I have to admit not to reading all the posts but all I can say is I have an Annie 1517 and I like to think I can shoot ok but the 17hmr rimfire ammo is very inconsistant and you can only shoot as well as your ammo and rifle allows and 17hmr ammo is not that good. Gotta agree. Ballie is fussy and likes to know where his bullet goes hence the paper punching. I am the same and I have also found inconsistency in .17 HMR ammo - in my case Federal and Remington. The Feds are better but fliers still happen. Having said that the HMR is a great round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballie Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Eagleman, You are quite right I am very fussy and do like the odd session paper punching, not only to check if all is well but I do like to try different ranges and different conditions (wind, rain etc) I don't mean to sound like a complete Zed but I like to try and be at one with my rifles what goes through my mind as I squeeze the trigger is "be the bullet". It does surprise my how many people go out on a windy day and try to shoot at a 150 yard rabbit miss and then wonder what’s wrong, my feelings are if you don't practise in those conditions by paper punching then how are you going to know where you bullet will go! I once took a friend out shooting and was taking some very long stuff (coke cans and vermin) and at the end of the day he said to me "you were really lucky to have hit some of those long ones" I replied "yes but its funny, the more I practice the luckier I get" With 17 hmr ammo you are never going to hit everything because as Egleman says you will always get the odd flyer but I do feel the 17hmr is a great little gun and I wouldn't be without mine, just except the fact that even if you are aiming bang on there will be times you miss because of inconsistent ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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