oldypigeonpopper Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 No chance. I shoot beyond 25yds. Yes, I agree that at short ranges, .25 is a great cal. but when you're shooting pigeons at 50yds it's a different story. hello, sub 12 ft llb at 50 yards ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernel gadaffi Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I looked at the ".20" years ago, but then, pellets were an issue, so I stuck with an HW80 in .177 and used H&N Silhouette, it was as good as anything I've ever used before or since. Lethal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I'm of the opinion Matt the .20 calibre does nothing better than the mainstream calibres. Its a poor substitute for either. I've also noticed .20 calibre dips significantly past 45 yards. Hunting is all about shot placement and the .20 doesn't better .177 placement, especially the longer range shots. For close range barn activity on the rats, the .22 calibre shines .. that said a .177 using JSB Heavy's certainly cuts the mustard .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) hello, sub 12 ft llb at 50 yards ?? Yes. Nothing wrong with that. Generally accepted minimum energy needed to kill a pigeon is 3 ft/lb? A .177 pellet with a muzzle velocity of 11.5 will be doing more than double that. Edited October 5, 2017 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I'm of the opinion Matt the .20 calibre does nothing better than the mainstream calibres. Its a poor substitute for either. I've also noticed .20 calibre dips significantly past 45 yards. Hunting is all about shot placement and the .20 doesn't better .177 placement, especially the longer range shots. For close range barn activity on the rats, the .22 calibre shines .. that said a .177 using JSB Heavy's certainly cuts the mustard .. Yeah. It's a slightly moot point right now, as I'm not in a position for change any more anyway! I use heavier pellets in the .177 and I'm not yet convinced that changing to .20 would be the way to go. I remain open to being convinced though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Yes. Nothing wrong with that. Generally accepted minimum energy needed to kill a pigeon is 3 ft/lb? A .177 pellet with a muzzle velocity of 11.5 will be doing more than double that. Now I not trying to be pedantic here . But I have actually tested this 3 fpe idea. I bought a .177 hw 40 clone pistol for pigeon dispatch for when my dog brings back a flapper to the hide .the pistol did 3 fpe with a wide range of pellets and non of em were powerful enough to dispatch said pigeon with a shot to the back of head .I also tried my webley tempest in .177 which makes about 3.4 fpe Same result .a pigeon still a live with a bad head ache .So I swapped to a crosman 2240 in .22 which makes about 5 fpe and that puts em out instantly .more power and more momentum from the bigger pellet means more penetration . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Now I not trying to be pedantic here . But I have actually tested this 3 fpe idea. I bought a .177 hw 40 clone pistol for pigeon dispatch for when my dog brings back a flapper to the hide .the pistol did 3 fpe with a wide range of pellets and non of em were powerful enough to dispatch said pigeon with a shot to the back of head .I also tried my webley tempest in .177 which makes about 3.4 fpe Same result .a pigeon still a live with a bad head ache .So I swapped to a crosman 2240 in .22 which makes about 5 fpe and that puts em out instantly .more power and more momentum from the bigger pellet means more penetration . That's interesting . Have you tried killing the bird by wringing it's neck or using a priest? Way more humane and cheap ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 I have and when I dont have my pistol with me . (Quite often ) I wring the neck .But I get blood on my hands then I have to clean it off before I pick up my expensive shotgun again . When the action is thick and fast a pellet to the head is quicker (and more humane in my book ) and gets me back shooting again quicker . It stops any flapping about in the hide instantly and that settles the dog faster too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 I have and when I dont have my pistol with me . (Quite often ) I wring the neck .But I get blood on my hands then I have to clean it off before I pick up my expensive shotgun again . When the action is thick and fast a pellet to the head is quicker (and more humane in my book ) and gets me back shooting again quicker . It stops any flapping about in the hide instantly and that settles the dog faster too . Your approach varies quite a bit from mine. I couldn't give a **** about blood on my hands or gun when i'm in a hide because i clean everything as soon as i'm home. You sir are somewhat unique because I've never read other PW members dispatching birds this way in all the years i've posted on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Well that is a very fair and astute observation for a few reasons . I'm not a born shot gunner .I'm a rifle shooter and as such ive adapted my mossy to shoot like a rifle with its head up position (raised cheek piece ) and red dot for aiming .and a moderator to quiet things down . Blood will strip the blueing off your action or barrel in 3 or 4 hours . (Easily enough in a days shooting) .and I dont want to be constantly checking my gun for blood splats . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Same all the time, if you have the money and inclination then buy one, human nature will tell you everyone who has one says its great regardless. As others have said, in 12ft lb, it isn't as flat as .177 or as hard hitting as .22. Reality is in 12 ft lb none will change your life, but there are pros and cons of 177, .20 and 22 (probably least in .20)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.20 Hunter Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 What gun would you get. If your heading down the Hw100 route you will have a three month wait. Personally try one out first, to see what you think. I wanted a change from 177 but always a .20 so sod it I made the change and have had no regrets. Just the same aim points as 177 just harder hitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyshooter Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 i had mostly .177 cal but since moving onto .20 i have a huntsman classic i love the .20 cal, its accurate, hard hitting, infact my .20 gets used a lot more than my .177 & .22 airguns , i know this cal works for me so not bothered about others opinions every one is entitled to their own . atb brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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