Rookie Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hello... Well i picked up my gun on thursday and hvae shot clays over the weekend to try to get 'used' to the gun I now have a slight problem.... When i looked at the gun in the shop, i had a long conversation with the chap and he also helped me to improve my stance. The gun fitted me beautifully and i was mounting the gun well everytime. I has now come to my attention that this has all changed. I seems that when i now mount the gun, my face seems to be to high and i am seeing a fair bit of rib. If i then move my fave down accordingly, when i fire, i get a clought in the cheek with the stock of the gun lol Does anyone know what the problem is here? Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Are you lifting your head when you pull the trigger, or to see the bird ? That's a common cause for getting a slap from the stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted July 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Are you lifting your head when you pull the trigger, or to see the bird ? That's a common cause for getting a slap from the stock. I'll be honest, i dont know if im doing that and will have to keep an eye on it next time i shoot. When i mount the gun, i seem to be able to see about 3-4inches of rib before the bead.... and when i move my cheek further down, when i fire, i get a slap on the cheek... and now how a small bruise and a sore cheekbone lol. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Make sure that you are pulling the stock into your shoulder socket, and keep your cheek on the stock. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 When I first started shooting with a shotgun I was was also bashing my cheekbone and finishing each shoot well and truly beaten by the gun. This was sorted with by instructor who corrected my stance and gun mount. Best money I ever spent! See a qualified instructor who can check your shooting technique and gun fit. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hello... Well i picked up my gun on thursday and hvae shot clays over the weekend to try to get 'used' to the gun I now have a slight problem.... When i looked at the gun in the shop, i had a long conversation with the chap and he also helped me to improve my stance. The gun fitted me beautifully and i was mounting the gun well everytime. I has now come to my attention that this has all changed. I seems that when i now mount the gun, my face seems to be to high and i am seeing a fair bit of rib. If i then move my fave down accordingly, when i fire, i get a clought in the cheek with the stock of the gun lol Does anyone know what the problem is here? Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Dont pull the gun hard to your shoulder let it rest there. ie, if you pull 60lbs and the gun kicks 60lbs wallop 120 lbs 2nd mount the gun so your head is erect or nearly so, allow 1 finger space between the comb and your cheekbone. if the gun fits you should see all of the rib. your eye is the rear sight and the bead is the fore sight. however forget the rib. and the bead. watch the clay and lead it keeping the gun moving while you pull the trigger. I would suspect that you are cocking your head to get your eye over the rib. this will clout your cheek. if you can't get your eye over the rib without cocking your head. shoot with your jaw open this allows sideways fit. hope this helps. also try a few shots at a pattern plate but dont use your gun like a rifle it doesn't work like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted July 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Thank's for your help everyone, i have a few tips to try for next time now... Hello... Well i picked up my gun on thursday and hvae shot clays over the weekend to try to get 'used' to the gun I now have a slight problem.... When i looked at the gun in the shop, i had a long conversation with the chap and he also helped me to improve my stance. The gun fitted me beautifully and i was mounting the gun well everytime. I has now come to my attention that this has all changed. I seems that when i now mount the gun, my face seems to be to high and i am seeing a fair bit of rib. If i then move my fave down accordingly, when i fire, i get a clought in the cheek with the stock of the gun lol Does anyone know what the problem is here? Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Dont pull the gun hard to your shoulder let it rest there. ie, if you pull 60lbs and the gun kicks 60lbs wallop 120 lbs 2nd mount the gun so your head is erect or nearly so, allow 1 finger space between the comb and your cheekbone. if the gun fits you should see all of the rib. your eye is the rear sight and the bead is the fore sight. however forget the rib. and the bead. watch the clay and lead it keeping the gun moving while you pull the trigger. I would suspect that you are cocking your head to get your eye over the rib. this will clout your cheek. if you can't get your eye over the rib without cocking your head. shoot with your jaw open this allows sideways fit. hope this helps. also try a few shots at a pattern plate but dont use your gun like a rifle it doesn't work like that. Are you ment to see the top of the rib then? From what i gathered, if you can see the rib you are not looking parralel to the gun so to speak, and are therefore aiming high? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Thank's for your help everyone, i have a few tips to try for next time now... Hello... Well i picked up my gun on thursday and hvae shot clays over the weekend to try to get 'used' to the gun I now have a slight problem.... When i looked at the gun in the shop, i had a long conversation with the chap and he also helped me to improve my stance. The gun fitted me beautifully and i was mounting the gun well everytime. I has now come to my attention that this has all changed. I seems that when i now mount the gun, my face seems to be to high and i am seeing a fair bit of rib. If i then move my fave down accordingly, when i fire, i get a clought in the cheek with the stock of the gun lol Does anyone know what the problem is here? Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Dont pull the gun hard to your shoulder let it rest there. ie, if you pull 60lbs and the gun kicks 60lbs wallop 120 lbs 2nd mount the gun so your head is erect or nearly so, allow 1 finger space between the comb and your cheekbone. if the gun fits you should see all of the rib. your eye is the rear sight and the bead is the fore sight. however forget the rib. and the bead. watch the clay and lead it keeping the gun moving while you pull the trigger. I would suspect that you are cocking your head to get your eye over the rib. this will clout your cheek. if you can't get your eye over the rib without cocking your head. shoot with your jaw open this allows sideways fit. hope this helps. also try a few shots at a pattern plate but dont use your gun like a rifle it doesn't work like that. Are you ment to see the top of the rib then? From what i gathered, if you can see the rib you are not looking parralel to the gun so to speak, and are therefore aiming high? Thanks. if you shoot parralell to the rib you will hit low unless your gun has a trap rib. you must see all the rib. I know it doesn,t seem to make sense. but it work's also important when you mount the gun! ignore your shoulder bring the gun upto your face. dont put the gun to your shoulder and lower your face to it good tip point the gun at a mirror see all the rib and you should be pointing at your eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Get your stock made adjustable - £85 in t'North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Thank's for your help everyone, i have a few tips to try for next time now... Hello... Well i picked up my gun on thursday and hvae shot clays over the weekend to try to get 'used' to the gun I now have a slight problem.... When i looked at the gun in the shop, i had a long conversation with the chap and he also helped me to improve my stance. The gun fitted me beautifully and i was mounting the gun well everytime. I has now come to my attention that this has all changed. I seems that when i now mount the gun, my face seems to be to high and i am seeing a fair bit of rib. If i then move my fave down accordingly, when i fire, i get a clought in the cheek with the stock of the gun lol Does anyone know what the problem is here? Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Dont pull the gun hard to your shoulder let it rest there. ie, if you pull 60lbs and the gun kicks 60lbs wallop 120 lbs 2nd mount the gun so your head is erect or nearly so, allow 1 finger space between the comb and your cheekbone. if the gun fits you should see all of the rib. your eye is the rear sight and the bead is the fore sight. however forget the rib. and the bead. watch the clay and lead it keeping the gun moving while you pull the trigger. I would suspect that you are cocking your head to get your eye over the rib. this will clout your cheek. if you can't get your eye over the rib without cocking your head. shoot with your jaw open this allows sideways fit. hope this helps. also try a few shots at a pattern plate but dont use your gun like a rifle it doesn't work like that. Are you ment to see the top of the rib then? From what i gathered, if you can see the rib you are not looking parralel to the gun so to speak, and are therefore aiming high? Thanks. if you shoot parralell to the rib you will hit low unless your gun has a trap rib. you must see all the rib. I know it doesn,t seem to make sense. but it work's also important when you mount the gun! ignore your shoulder bring the gun upto your face. dont put the gun to your shoulder and lower your face to it good tip point the gun at a mirror see all the rib and you should be pointing at your eye. I have to disagree with that. If you can see all of the rib then the gun does not fit you at all. There is a degree of personal preference. some people dont like to see any rib, just the bead on top of the action. Myself and everyone else I know who shoots likes to see just a little bit of rib and the bead. The rib should not look like a ski jump leading up to the bead. Usually the more rib you see the higher the gun will shoot. Alot of people dont see the rib or bead, such is their concentration on the target. Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Look for this much rib, as said before mount is very important and until you know what you are looking for with the rib you can not work on your mount. A lesson or two is money well spent or ask a friend to look at your stance and mount. http://www.a1cooling.co.uk/gunmount.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby t Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 get your head comfortabel on the stock with your eyes shut then open them if you see too much rib you will shoot high as the comb is too high if you cant see the bead you have too lower comb therfore your shot will be low some say see a littl etrib others say see jus the bead its personal preference what works for your mate might not work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Look for this much rib, as said before mount is very important and until you know what you are looking for with the rib you can not work on your mount. A lesson or two is money well spent or ask a friend to look at your stance and mount. http://www.a1cooling.co.uk/gunmount.htm This is what i see.....sort of...i have a mid bead and see sort of a figure 8 only not so pronounced.....i used to get whacked everywhere ...it was because the comb was too low.....i now own a browning ultra xs with adjustable comb... Warning tho...once you have them set DONT muck about with them...your shooting will go all to pot...... NOTE! beretta's have always fitted me just right?......lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 When I was looking at Browning and Mirokus, the guy at the shop said the front bead should sit on top of the mid bead, close your eyes, mount the gun, open your eyes you should see the front bead on top of the mid bead like a figure "8", if you can do this every time obviousy the gun is a pretty good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Look for this much rib, as said before mount is very important and until you know what you are looking for with the rib you can not work on your mount. A lesson or two is money well spent or ask a friend to look at your stance and mount. http://www.a1cooling.co.uk/gunmount.htm This is what i see.....sort of...i have a mid bead and see sort of a figure 8 only not so pronounced.....i used to get whacked everywhere ...it was because the comb was too low.....i now own a browning ultra xs with adjustable comb... Warning tho...once you have them set DONT muck about with them...your shooting will go all to pot...... NOTE! beretta's have always fitted me just right?......lol Id agree with this, someone said earlier about making the stock adjustable,, completly unnecessary. That is for the clay shot, not the game or pigeon shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted July 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hi Lad's! Thanks for all of your replies... After work today, i thought i would go out roost-shooting and try to put all of your tips together and it worked a treat I fired about 6 shots and managed to hit 1 pigeon. Not to brilliant as far as numbers go, but the good thing was my mount was good and no smack's on the cheek I will shortly be posting a picture in the appropriate section in a couple of min's if your interested. Thanks, Andrew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Look for this much rib, as said before mount is very important and until you know what you are looking for with the rib you can not work on your mount. A lesson or two is money well spent or ask a friend to look at your stance and mount. http://www.a1cooling.co.uk/gunmount.htm This is what i see.....sort of...i have a mid bead and see sort of a figure 8 only not so pronounced.....i used to get whacked everywhere ...it was because the comb was too low.....i now own a browning ultra xs with adjustable comb... Warning tho...once you have them set DONT muck about with them...your shooting will go all to pot...... NOTE! beretta's have always fitted me just right?......lol if you see a figure of eight that is correct. for a trap gun that is andy. I didnt know you had bought a trap gun. the view on a sporter is different good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 The view you get on the rib is completely irrelevant. My Blaser fits me perfectly and if I look at the rib I see a small ammount. On my Beretta semi I do not see the rib at all. If you lay the 2 guns one on top of the other with the barrels in line then the ribs are different shapes. It is the sight picture you see between target and image of the gun which is important not the ammount of rib. If you see the rib when shooting you will miss. Concentration on the target is the important bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 dont tuch you cehek nito the stock to tightly..............alot of novice shooters do this as they are frightened of the power / kick of the 12b..............on the mount there should be very little movement in the head....mount the gun so you cheek only just touches the stock.... If the problem still persists then the gun may still not be suited to you...........theres a big difference between how it fits in a shop..(when someones trying to sell you it )...and how it fits when being worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 if you see a figure of eight that is correct. for a trap gun that is andy.I didnt know you had bought a trap gun. the view on a sporter is different good luck Mine is not a trap gun but a MK38 sporter, even the guy at Garlands said to look for the figure of 8 (didnt buy it from there) and the gujys who I shoot with tell me the same, who is right and who is wrong, I am totally confused now! What should I be seen then, the tops of both beads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Just found a topic where it mentions the figure of 8, any input guys. http://www.chuckhawks.com/recommended_shotguns.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 It is true that the beads should look like a figure of 8, I've heard that a lot of times. My arguement is that you shouldn't be looking at the beads full stop ! The author also says that semi autos are not gracefull or do not balance very well, he has very obviously never shot a decent top end semi auto. He also says that a gas operated semi has less felt recoil than any other design. Also complete rubbish ! If you shoot an o/u, sxs, gas auto, long or short recoil op gun and an inertia op gun, if the guns are the same weight, shooting the same cartridge you will notice no difference in felt recoil what so ever. The average gas gun is quite heavy which soaks up some recoil. What he says about gun fit and felt recoil is absolutely true. The better the fit the less felt recoil, regardless of the guns operation. Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 It is true that the beads should look like a figure of 8, I've heard that a lot of times. My arguement is that you shouldn't be looking at the beads full stop !Leeboy I agree but to learn the mount and muscle memory the beads are a good starting point. I have just looked on the Miroku web site and the trap gun stock and rib are totally different to the sporting so I am pretty confident in my case the figure "8" is correct but if any one has any useful links to the contary or more information, please post. Cheers guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 It is true that the beads should look like a figure of 8, I've heard that a lot of times. My arguement is that you shouldn't be looking at the beads full stop !Leeboy I agree but to learn the mount and muscle memory the beads are a good starting point. I have just looked on the Miroku web site and the trap gun stock and rib are totally different to the sporting so I am pretty confident in my case the figure "8" is correct but if any one has any useful links to the contary or more information, please post. Cheers guys. I see where you are coming from and that you need to establish a starting base so to speak. I think everybody looks at the rib when they start out. I think thats quite natural. It took me a while to ignore the rib. Clays will soon sort that out as you will find that there just isnt time to look at the rib as the bird is gone once you have everything lined up. Once you start hitting the birds you will soon lose focus on the rib. I've never shot trap but I know that the stock dimensions etc will not be the same as a sporter because trap guns are set up to shoot high so that the bird is not covered. Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 http://www.shotgunreport.com/Video/Inst/SRVGunFit.html Have a look at this.It's a bit on the short side but the main information is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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