squirrel shooter Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Hi I just bought a pard nv, which is powered by a 18650. I never knew that you get protected and unprotected circuit boards on the batteries. This can add several mm in length if you have a protected one. To cut a long story short, i need some more unprotected 18650 batteries to use in my pard, as most of mine are protected - which are too long to fit in the pard. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 There are usually about 8 of them in an old laptop battery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 hello, that is interesting to know, i wondered why some Panasonic i got out of a battery pack like dave mentioned were shorter and fitted my T torches better, i got 4 good ones from the 8 so worth a consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, that is interesting to know, i wondered why some Panasonic i got out of a battery pack like dave mentioned were shorter and fitted my T torches better, i got 4 good ones from the 8 so worth a consider. Dave, do all laptop packs have these 18650 batteries in them, ? i need some more for my general white led torch, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 I had a delve into 18650's and solar charging and subsequently aquired loads of old laptop batteries from my local pc repair shop and they all had unprotected 18650's in, The protection circuit in them are a seperate pcb board controlling the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Snoozer said: I had a delve into 18650's and solar charging and subsequently aquired loads of old laptop batteries from my local pc repair shop and they all had unprotected 18650's in, The protection circuit in them are a seperate pcb board controlling the lot. hello, thanks for that Snoozer, what percentage were good to use and do you use a gadget to check the batteries, i just used my normal charger and found a few would not hold any charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Probably got around 50% which were in a usable range and I have a specific chargers that checks/charges/discharges them then I junked the bad ones keeping what was usable and eventually sorting them into values close to each other for a better balanced set. You must be carefull charging these as they can have a very bad attitude. I use these 2 for charging. Edited January 6, 2019 by Snoozer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snoozer said: Probably got around 50% which were in a usable range and I have a specific chargers that checks/charges/discharges them then I junked the bad ones keeping what was usable and eventually sorting them into values close to each other for a better balanced set. You must be carefull charging these as they can have a very bad attitude. I use these 2 for charging. thankyou for posting and i always alway keep a check on any batteries being charged if that is what you mean Edited January 6, 2019 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 ......very bad attitude ??????????????? explain please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 a protection circuit is needed somewhere !! or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtdH7FWKYSI&ab_channel=KarimLadha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, wascal said: a protection circuit is needed somewhere !! or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtdH7FWKYSI&ab_channel=KarimLadha Edited January 6, 2019 by Snoozer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 I get weed off at the doom mongers who post up videos of what happens if some absolute idiot uses an incorrect charging device and method to deliberately cause a drastic overcharge issue - whilst expressing dire warnings about how unsafe they are. They are safe when charged with the correct device. Don't just take my words for it, watch the video on youtube and read the comments. Here is a charger that charges each cell individually, and checks their charge staus every second or so https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nitecore-D4-Charger-18650-26650-IMR-UNIVERSAL-LIFEP04-BATTERY-UK/253252494431 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 Have one of those advised by Dave-G, works fine BUT I still don't just leave my batteries charging without checking frequently, even my phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 34 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I get weed off at the doom mongers who post up videos of what happens if some absolute idiot uses an incorrect charging device and method to deliberately cause a drastic overcharge issue - whilst expressing dire warnings about how unsafe they are. They are safe when charged with the correct device. Don't just take my words for it, watch the video on youtube and read the comments. Here is a charger that charges each cell individually, and checks their charge staus every second or so https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nitecore-D4-Charger-18650-26650-IMR-UNIVERSAL-LIFEP04-BATTERY-UK/253252494431 Yep I bet all those Samsung Note 7 owners will totally agree was nothing more than scare mongering when their Mobile fones went up in smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Snoozer said: Yep I bet all those Samsung Note 7 owners will totally agree was nothing more than scare mongering when their Mobile fones went up in smoke. Never having had a Note I have to say I did'nt realise they were bulky enough to have individual 18650 cells in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 Ah I should of explained in more simple terms my bad, 18650's are a lithium-ion cell as are most mobile fone batteries and display the same characturistics when charged in correctly or malfunction, They tend to explode or catch fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Snoozer said: Ah I should of explained in more simple terms my bad, 18650's are a lithium-ion cell as are most mobile fone batteries and display the same characturistics when charged in correctly or malfunction, They tend to explode or catch fire. Ah, maybe I should have explained more simply ( and you can check it) that the topic we were discussing until you derailed it, is where some individual flat top 18650 battery cells to power a Pard NV could be obtained. No advice was sought about using incorrect batteries, or packs or charging practices that would cause a single cell to malfunction, nor was it implied the OP or anyone else proposed to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzbangwhallop Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Torchy is the man for genuine 18650's....choice of flat tops here....... https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=torchy+18650&_sop=12 He's been around for along time and knows his stuff! Cheers Fizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Bit of a design cock up to use single, unprotected cells in a device in the first place. But not surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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